Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:20 am

I got into a couple of coves off Swannannoa Creek and did some measuring. The first one is one that I'd visited after finding the 180' tulip across the stream and and uphill a ways. The tulips in the cove were unimpressive in comparison but they were still rather tall. Having dismissed them a little too quickly, I decided to revisit the cove. Walnuts dominate along the trickle of a stream in the cove. It has an old homesite so that is no surprise. One walnut made it into a side cove and was the only one of height. Tulips thoroughly dominate the cove.

Lirio tulip
154.7' 147.7' 146.6' 146.4'

Juglans nigra
112.2'

Quercus rubra
121.7'

Across the stream from the cove lies a low bluff with southerly facing tulips. These reach surprising heights, considering the exposure.

Lirio tulip
152.5' 143.4' 140.5'

Plat occid
128.0'

The other cove I explored contains very young trees. One hit 148' several years ago at an age I guessed was in the mid 30s. At roughly 40 years, this grove is growing very quickly. I'd hoped the tulips up higher in the cove would be taller but they're still doing quite well and the cove has greater diversity than I'd originally assumed.

Lirio tulip
152.0' 147.1' 145.9' 144.7' 140.3'

Carya glabra
116.8'

Acer rubrum
116.9'

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:04 am

I revisited the Point Lookout Tulip. Some stats on this tree since its discovery in 2015:

2015 177.6'
2016 180.3'
2018 183.0'
2020 179.5'

The top looked healthy so I think it had some die back in 2018, after it was measured. It should inch upward but who knows if will top 183' again.

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by dbhguru » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:46 pm

Brian,

At least it was documented when over 180. How many sites do we have with TTs over 180?

Bob
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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:58 am

Bob,
Ask and you shall receive. These are all of the 180'+ tulips that I know of and a few that should top 180'.

1. Fork Ridge Tulip, Deep Creek, GSMNP NC 191.9' tape drop 2012
Deep Creek has the tallest 20' CBH at 21'1" 179'

2. Welch Branch, GSMNP NC 188.4' laser 2019
also 182.0' 181.7' 180.8' 180.8' 180.5' most total 180's

3. Bradley Fork Tulip, GSMNP NC 188'+ laser 2019

4. Dancing Sycamore Cove, Big Creek, GSMNP NC 186.1' laser 2020

5. Cucumber Gap, Elkmont, GSMNP TN 184.9' laser 2012

6. East Barkers Creek, Nantahala NF NC laser 184.5' 2011
also 183.6' 181.7' 179.8'

7. Point Lookout Tulip, Royal Gorge, Pisgah NF Ridgecrest, NC laser 183.0' 2018
currently 179.5' 2020

8. Burnt Mountain, Elkmont, TN GSMNP laser 180.3' 2012
also 180.2'

9. Wilson Creek Pisgah NF NC 180'+

Likely 180's

1. The Tree Amigos, Big Creek GSMNP NC

2. Wesser Creek Nantahala NF NC 178.3' 2011

3. Joyce Kilmer Nantahal NF NC 178.1'


Confirmed 180's

Total 17
GSMNP 12
Nantahala NF 3
Pisgah NF 2
NC 14
TN 3

The Smokies thoroughly dominates the 180's list, especially at the top. The tallest is old growth but most of the 180's are second growth. The Big Creek 186' is likely the youngest and should dethrone Fork Ridge in several years. I seriously doubt it's even close to 70 years old.

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