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bbeduhn
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Chasteen Creek

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:02 pm

I hiked along Chasteen Creek, searching for a rich cove to measure. It took a while to find one that was relatively easy to get into but what a nice looking cove it was! The ground was littered with green despite being early in the season (April 7th, 2018). This cove is fairly young on the flatter areas and gets older up higher. Species are limited on the flats and there is diverse old growth just above the flats. The old growth appears to have been highgraded, as nothing too large was present. The altitude is about 3,000' along the trail at the base of the cove. I went up to about 3300'. This may be the cove that Will talked about in a 2004 post. He and Jess explored a cove at 3000' elevation.
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Lirio tulip 165.2' 163.6' 161.2' 161.1' 160.3' 160.2' 159.3' 159.2'
157.5' 156.8' 155.9' 155.5' 155.4' 155.4' 155.2'

tilia hetero 139.2' 133.8' 130.1' 128.7' 127.8'

Fraxinus americana 139.5' 139.2' 136.3' 133.5'

Robinia pseudo 148.0' 134.7' 132.9'

Quercus rubra 137.9' 130.0'

Prunus serotina 137.0' 136.1'

Acer saccharum 115.5' 109.9'

Betula lenta 110.2' 106.8'

Magnolia fraseri 109.0'

Halesia monticola 90.5'

I expected tulip to top 170' along the creek but they didn't, at least at the altitude I measured. There appears to be plenty more rich cove forest above this point and likely in other nearby coves.
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Re: Chasteen Creek

Post by Erik Danielsen » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:39 pm

I remember that post by Will and Jess in particular enjoying the photos and thinking what a pleasant place it looked like it must be. If this isn't the same cove, at the least it's doing its best impersonation.

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Re: Chasteen Creek

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:35 am

I got back to the same cove and checked out the next few coves as well. I ran out of time and didn't get the coves to the south of the initial cove. The coves are slightly incised as it is more of a slope with small coves. As altitude is gained a couple of these incisements become more developed coves. Such spots are typically the most productive places within coves. The first cove had the typical spot. The largest cove I visited had quality trees, including an old growth yellow buckeye, a 150' Biltmore ash and a few 160' class tulips. As I traveled away from what I thought was the best spot in the cove, I noticed the tulips were still tall. One topped 170' and then I saw one of the two gems of the day, a Biltmore ash, still very young, which soared straight up to an obvious point. There was no doubt, this tree had 160' written over it. It held up against the tulips and surpassed 166'! This was the second record of the day. A couple of coves south holds the new record height sourwood, at 119'. It is almost impossibly straight for a sourwood, and held its own against red oaks. The third tallest measured sourwood grows just about 20 yards away, at 110'.

Edit: Josh Kelly says that these are likely white ash and not Biltmore. Will and Jess also had white ash at this location.

Will Blozan says he previously measured the sourwood and will try to find his numbers from 2004.

Chasteen Creek numbers

black locust R. pseudoacacia
150.8' 45.96m 135.8' 41.39m 135.3' 41.24m

yellow buckeye A. flava
123.9' 37.76m ~4' diameter

white basswood T. heterophylla
150.2' 45.78m 144.1' 43.92m 139.8' 42.61m 134.0' 40.84m 133.7' 40.75m

white ash F. americana
166.2' 50.65m 149.1' 45.44m 139.0' 42.36m 129.3' 39.41m

sugar maple A. saccharum
135.0' 41.14m 125.2' 38.16m 125.1' 38.13m

bitternut hickory C. cordiformis
127.9' 38.98m

N red oak Q. rubra
130.6' 39.80m 130.0' 39.62m

tuliptree L. tulipifera
170.5' 51.96m 166.6' 50.78m 164.4' 50.11m 164.0' 49.98m 163.2' 49.74m
162.0' 49.37m 161.0' 49.07m 160.9' 49.04m 160.7' 48.98m 160.3' 48.86m
159.8' 48.70m 159.7' 48.67m 159.0' 48.46m 158.9' 48.43m 158.9' 48.43m
158.7' 48.37m 158.6' 48.34m 158.6' 48.34m 158.4' 48.28m 158.3' 48.25m
158.1' 48.18m 157.9' 48.12m 157.8' 48.09m 157.1' 47.88m 156.7' 47.76m
156.6' 47.73m 155.7' 47.45m 154.4' 47.06m 152.8' 46.57m 150.6' 45.90m

sourwood O. arboreum
119.2' 36.33m 110.1' 33.55m

black birch B. lenta
105.6' 32.18m

red spruce P. rubens
81.2' 24.75m

Chasteen Creek Rucker index
RHI 10 = 144.52' 44.05m
RHI 5 = 155.92' 47.52m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 170.5' 51.96m
2. white ash F. americana 166.2' 50.65m
3. black locust R. pseudoacacia 151.8' 46.26m
4. white basswood T. heterophylla 150.2' 45.78m
5. black cherry P. serotina 140.9' 42.94m
6. N red oak Q. rubra 137.9' 42.03m
7. sugar maple A. saccharum 135.0' 41.14m
8. cucmbertree M. acuminata 133.9' 40.81m
9. white oak Q. alba 130.9' 39.89m
10. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 127.9' 38.98m


Oconaluftee Rucker
RHI 20 = 147.44' 44.94m
RHI 10 = 158.32' 48.25m
RHI 5 = 167.60' 51.08m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 188.0' 57.30m Bradley
2. black locust R. pseudoacacia 171.8' 52.36m Bradley
3. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 166.2' 50.65m Chasteen
4. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 156.2' 47.61m Bradley
5. A sycamore P. occidentalis 155.8' 47.48m
6. red spruce P. rubens 155.3' 47.33m
7. white basswood T. heterophylla 150.2' 45.78m Chasteen
8. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 148.6' 45.29m Mingus
9. cucumbertree M. acuminata 146.8' 44.74m Cliff
10. N red oak Q. rubra 144.3' 43.98m Mingus

11. A beech F. grandifolia 142.8' 43.52m Mingus
12. black cherry P. serotina 140.9' 42.94m Chasteen
13. yellow buckeye A. flava 139.1' 42.39m Cliff
14. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 139.0' 42.36m Cliff
15. pignut hickory C. glabra 137.4' 41.88m Mingus
16. black oak Q. velutina 135.1' 41.17m Bradley
17. sugar maple A. saccharum 135.0' 41.14m Chasteen
18. chestnut oak Q. montana 134.7' 41.05m
19. white oak Q. alba 130.9' 39.89m Chasteen
20. sassafras S. albidum 130.7' 39.83m Bradley

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