Big Creek

Moderators: edfrank, dbhguru

#11)  Re: Big Creek

Postby bbeduhn » Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:22 am

Big creek

The creek itself has reasonably tall trees but they mostly pale in comparison to the heights in the coves. One exception is a tall, low branching chestnut oak. It doesn't appear to be as tall as it is and looks shorter than what I'd seen in the coves but the laser said otherwise. I believe this was measured by Will at 143' in 2010.
               
                       
chestnut oak 1.jpg
                       
139.9' chestnut oak
               
               
               
                       
chestnut oak 2.jpg
                       
139.9' chestnut oak
               
               


Quercus montana   139.9' 127.1'

Betula lenta             100.9'

Betula allegheniensis  86.4'

               
                       
red salamander 6.jpg
                       
6" red salamander, measured sin/sin/laser of course!
               
               
Last edited by bbeduhn on Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:57 am, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
bbeduhn
 
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:23 pm
Location: Asheville, NC
Has Liked: 1079 times
Has Been Liked: 462 times
Print view this post

#12)  Re: Big Creek

Postby bbeduhn » Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:54 am

Mouse Creek

I fought the rhododendron for a while but gave up before I got to the awesome upper coves of Mouse Creek. I'll approach from the top next time as Will suggested, "gravity helps with rhododendron". The tulip numbers are a mixed bag as the tops vary. Some are very easy shots and some have slightly larger crowns which may or may not reveal their true tops from below. I'd read that railroad grades ran all through the cove, leading me to believe that travel would be easy but the grades are more choked with rhodo than the slopes are. I just got a handful of numbers. Tulip and bitternut do better higher up and a few coves have yet to be explored by any ENTS.

The red oak was above me on the grade I hiked on initially. I came back out on a higher grade and it reveled itself from this grade. This tree has a better chance of hitting 160' than the red oak on the Whitewater River in SC. It appears to be quite young  (75-80 years). It's put on some girth since 2010, about 10". It slipped my mind to get a photo but Will posted one in 2010.

Lirio tulip         169.7' 169.0' 167.6' 166.8' 159.6' 159.1' 158.2' 156.3'

Quercus rubra   132.7'  155.7' cbh 12'2" or 146"  

Robinia pseudo   136.0'

Carya cordi         131.5'

Halesia monti      121.6'

Betula alleghen    88.3'

Prunus serotina   120.6'

               
                       
mouse creek 1.jpg
                       
Mouse Creek forest
               
               
               
                       
mouse creek 2.jpg
                       
Mouse Creek forest
               
               
User avatar
bbeduhn
 
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:23 pm
Location: Asheville, NC
Has Liked: 1079 times
Has Been Liked: 462 times
Print view this post

#13)  Re: Big Creek

Postby dbhguru » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:39 am

Brian,

  Heck'uva red oak. You had that one hid in the numbners. Tulips aren't slouches, assuming their fairly young. We're so used to 170s and 180s in the Smokies, that we're spoiled.

Bob
Robert T. Leverett
Co-founder and Executive Director
Native Native Tree Society
Co-founder and President
Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest
User avatar
dbhguru
 
Posts: 3974
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:34 pm
Location: Florence, Massachusetts
Has Liked: 3 times
Has Been Liked: 1058 times
Print view this post

#14)  Re: Big Creek

Postby bbeduhn » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:14 pm

I went back to Baxter Creek to see which tulip was the 185 footer. I don't know exactly what happened but every possible was measured and none fit the bill. Some better numbers did arise. The Rucker tulip and its next door neighbor are a little taller than I previously measured. I noticed a mighty fine silverbell along Baxter Creek that i missed before. It is one of only three known to top 130', and had been measured previously. A very old silverbell resides a bit further up the trail. Bitternut hickories are almost as ubiquitous as tulips. I missed quite a few on my initial visit. Some of the tulips are remeasures.

Lirio tulip   175.3' (by bend in trail) 173.8' & 172.1' (Rucker tulip group) 171.9' 170.8' 169.5' 168.7'
                  168.5' 168.6' 167.9' 167.0' 166.9' 166.4' 166.0' 165.3' 164.4' 164.3' 164.2' 162.8' 162.8'
                  161.6' 161.3' 161.0'

Magnolia acuminata  126.1' 124.2' 122.9'

Halesia monticoloa   131.3' 118.6' 117.3' 116.7' 113.4' 112.1'

Robinia pseudo    134.1' 126.0'

Quercus velotina  114.1'

Carya cordiformis   152.5' 143.8' 143.6' 134.7' 130.8'

Fraxinus americ      143.6' 130.9'

               
                       
rucker tulips 1.jpg
                       
Rucker tulips
               
               
               
                       
rucker tulips 2.jpg
                       
Rucker tulips 172.1' & 173.8'
               
               
               
                       
baxter silverbell.jpg
                       
Old silverbell
               
               
               
                       
baxter beech tulip.jpg
                       
Beech and tulip
               
               
               
                       
baxter apron tulip.jpg
                       
Tulip relic
               
               

For this message the author bbeduhn has received Likes :
Erik Danielsen
User avatar
bbeduhn
 
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:23 pm
Location: Asheville, NC
Has Liked: 1079 times
Has Been Liked: 462 times
Print view this post

#15)  Re: Big Creek

Postby bbeduhn » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:38 pm

I revisited a rich cove I went to last year to check out the old growth above the second and third growth and to hopefully find a Smokies record for sweetgum. I came close with sweetgum on the flats below the rich cove and Baxter Creek but fell four feet shy on the sweetgum. A quick remeasure of the Triple Sick Sycamore yielded 159' for the tallest trunk. This was from the same vantage point as I'd used last year. I decided to head uphill to make sure I was hitting the tops. The crown is confusing because two different trunks share the crown and it's difficult to tell which twig is to which trunk as they are a little bit intertwined. After careful sorting and crown scouting, each of the two tallest trunks breaks the sycamore record.

A state record red elm resides just down the dry run from the sycamore. A likely 170' tulip resides just uphill and 143' and 136' buckeyes reside right next to it. I should have remeasured all of these. The red elm is a new find. these trees are right on the edge of second/third growth with old growth just a hundred or so yards away. The ages just below these tall trees appear to be about 60 years while the tall second growth is likely 80-90. I assume the third growth is actually second growth that had been managed as open fields for a couple of decades after the park was established. The flats were likely farmland. There are stone ruins among the flats, as well as a few relic old growth trees.

Rich Cove

Platanus occidentalis  165.5'   163.4'  147.3'  
Liquidambar styraciflua  133.4' 130.9'
Betula lenta               110.3'
Acer sacharrum          122.3'
Fraxinus biltmoreana   132.7'
Halesia monticola        98.7' 97.7'
Tilia heterophylla        144.3'  11'6" cbh
Ulmus rubra                 134.0' 131.2'

Last year's measurements

Aesculus flava             143.1'  136.0
Lirio tulipifera             168.3'
Robinia pseudoacacia   137.0'

Apron between Rich Cove and Baxter Creek

Liquid styraciflua   138.1' 133.6' 132.7'

Flats along Big Creek

Liquid styraciflua   134.5' 133.9' 131.3'
Pinus strobus          139.7' 134.6'
Pinus rigida            102.2'
Juglans nigra          113.8'

               
                       
chimney.jpg
                       
large chimney
               
               
               
                       
basswood 11'6.jpg
                       
11'6" basswood 144.3'
               
               
               
                       
basswood 144'.jpg
                       
144.3' basswood (formerly 150')
               
               
               
                       
triple sick trunks.jpg
                       
triple sick trunks
               
               
               
                       
triple sick trunks 2.jpg
                       
triple sick trunks
               
               
               
                       
triple sick trunks 3.jpg
                       
triple sick trunks
               
               
               
                       
triple sick trunks 4.jpg
                       
triple sick trunks
               
               
               
                       
triple sick crown.jpg
                       
triple sick crowns
               
               
               
                       
butterflies.jpg
                       
butterflies and horse...
               
               
User avatar
bbeduhn
 
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:23 pm
Location: Asheville, NC
Has Liked: 1079 times
Has Been Liked: 462 times
Print view this post

Previous

Return to Great Smoky Mountains National Park

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron