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China’s tallest tree

Post by Lucas » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:50 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpf4PS8MYCk

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https://interaction.sixthtone.com/feature/2022/The-Hunt-for-China%E2%80%99s-Tallest-Tree/index.html
Abies ernestii var. Salouenensis

An 83.4-metre-high (274ft) tree found inside a Tibetan forest is reportedly the tallest in China. As high as a 28-storey building, the Abies ernestii var. Salouenensis plant was measured after a team of researchers in the Tibetan autonomous region reported sightings of trees as high as 75 metres (246ft).Oct 10, 2022

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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:16 am

Nice! I've been waiting for some numbers from China. Japan and Korea are still lacking. Eastern Asia likely holds many more surprises.

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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by Lucas » Mon May 29, 2023 8:41 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCU93Rghb-Q

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https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesDaily/posts/pfbid02g6oB4jc3vQwFR4qMDjDRrMi7p3WEzMXSbu9XMVV6QHc824hm4axhGRUUKnEDyfxWl

102.3 METERS! Asia's tallest and the world's 2nd tallest tree has been discovered at a national nature reserve in southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region, making Bhutan cypress the second tallest tree variety in the world after the American coast redwood.

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https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202305/27/WS6471edd1a310b6054fad5690.html

BEIJING -- The record of the tallest tree in Asia has been refreshed this week, as a team of Chinese researchers announced that they discovered a giant cypress measuring 102.3 meters in Tibet autonomous region.

The record-breaking high tree, called Cupressus torulosa, was found at the national nature reserve of the Yarlung Zangbo Grand Canyon in Bome county, Nyingchi city, during a scientific investigation led by Peking University in May.

The team members used drones and laser radar to map the local cypress aggregation area and confirmed the presence of the 102.3-meter tree.

Besides, they detected a large number of trees over 85 meters high, including 25 measuring over 90 meters. The findings have also contributed to the region having the highest density of giant trees in China and Asia after precision measurement, said Ren Yu, a team member from Peking University.

Mainly distributed in southeastern Tibet, Cupressus torulosa has a narrow distribution area and a small population. It has been listed as a national first-class protected plant.

The previous China tree height record holder was an evergreen fir measured at 83.4 meters by scientists in Tibet last year.


https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-05-27/102-3-meters-The-tallest-tree-in-Asia-found-in-Xizang-China--1k95F5TYksU/index.html

Besides the 102.3-meter Himalayan cypresses, a large number of giant trees over 85 meters have also been identified in the area, and 25 of them are taller than 90 meters.

good pix. has a point cloud
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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by amdcpus » Mon May 29, 2023 3:14 pm

Crazy, that's a huge new record. Wonder if they plan on doing a tape drop climb to confirm. Though to be fair, with the enormous amount of resources and technology they seem to have dedicated to this, I'd imagine the height they’ve determined should be very accurate

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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by M.W.Taylor » Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:50 am

I've been waiting for news like this. Great photographs and Incredible LIDAR point cloud. Looks like a very remote area. Even if the 102.3 is taken to low point, this tree should average out well above 100m.

Thanks for the fantastic news !

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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by Lucas » Tue Jun 06, 2023 2:34 pm

Jean Hoch
I must make a correction. There is no Cupressus torulosa in Bome district. It is either Cupressus austrotibetica, or the new species described in 2021 Cupressus rushfortii. for more infos, see here. http://www.cupressus.net/bulletin/24/BullCCP10_2_24.pdf
https://www.facebook.com/groups/planetconifer/posts/7004097842953476/

Over at planet conifer Jean Hoch disputes the species.

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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by Lucas » Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:08 am


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Over at https://www.facebook.com/groups/planetconifer/permalink/7042971009066159/ Jean Hoch discusses the true nature of the species and the confusion around it.

There is obviously a lot of confusion about the name of the tallest tree in Asia discovered in May 2023. According to various sources, it is about Tibet cypress, Cupressus gigantea, Cupressus torulosa, and sometimes also Buthan cypress.
The reference to the Bhutan cypress refers to the previous record holder of 2022, (76.8 m) of a tree found in the Medog district of Tibet and it is a Pinus buthanica.
In Chinese, the vernacular name for Cupressus gigantea is giant cypress (巨柏 Jù bǎi). This species is found further west in the Yarlung Zangbo Valley between approximately 29°02'43.0"N 93°01'47.0"E and approximately 29°27'16.0"N 94°31'31.0"E.
The 102 m record tree is located at the confluence of the Parlung Zangbo and the Yi'ong Zangbo, near the commune of Tongmai in the district of Bôme, 30°06'03.9"N 95°04'47.3" E. In this place the climate is much more humid and it is another species, Cupressus austrotibetica.
Before recognizing C. gigantea, A. Farjon (Kew) had long considered all Tibetan cypresses to be C. torulosa. These are the “C. torulosa” of the Bôme County which the Chinese call Tibet cypress, in fact, they call it Xizang cypress (西藏柏木 Xīzàng bǎimù). Tibet being the translation of Xizang. Since Farjon it has turned out that genetically C. gigantea and C. austrotibetica are indeed species in their own right. There is however a big problem for the Chinese, although C. austrotibetica is a valid and accepted species name, its scientific name contains the word “Tibet” and I don't know why this blocks them. Rather than accepting this scientific name, they continue to call these cypresses C. torulosa.
But, in reading a Chinese article on the tallest tree in Asia, another problem seems to be looming. Indeed, in the Cupressus Conservation Project Bulletin 10(2): (2021) we reported the presence of a second species located 3 km east of Tongmai, Cupressus rushforthii, which the Chinese now call Tongmai cypress (通麦 柏木 Tōngmài bǎimù). There is therefore a risk of confusion with Cupressus tongmaiensis which is a synonym of C. austrotibetica.
In summary :
Cupressus tongmaiensis = Cupressus austrotibetica
Tongmai cypress (Tōngmài bǎimù) = Cupressus rushforthii
Tibet cypress (Xīzàng bǎimù) = Cupressus austrotibetica (« the C. torulosa » of the Palung Zangbo and the Yi’ong Zangbo valley)
Giant cypress (Jù bǎi) = Cupressus gigantea
Asia's tallest tree (102 m) = Cupressus austrotibetica

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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by Lucas » Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:11 am


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Over at Planet Conifer on Facebook Jean Hoch discusses the true nature of the species and the confusion around it.

There is obviously a lot of confusion about the name of the tallest tree in Asia discovered in May 2023. According to various sources, it is about Tibet cypress, Cupressus gigantea, Cupressus torulosa, and sometimes also Buthan cypress.
The reference to the Bhutan cypress refers to the previous record holder of 2022, (76.8 m) of a tree found in the Medog district of Tibet and it is a Pinus buthanica.
In Chinese, the vernacular name for Cupressus gigantea is giant cypress (巨柏 Jù bǎi). This species is found further west in the Yarlung Zangbo Valley between approximately 29°02'43.0"N 93°01'47.0"E and approximately 29°27'16.0"N 94°31'31.0"E.
The 102 m record tree is located at the confluence of the Parlung Zangbo and the Yi'ong Zangbo, near the commune of Tongmai in the district of Bôme, 30°06'03.9"N 95°04'47.3" E. In this place the climate is much more humid and it is another species, Cupressus austrotibetica.
Before recognizing C. gigantea, A. Farjon (Kew) had long considered all Tibetan cypresses to be C. torulosa. These are the “C. torulosa” of the Bôme County which the Chinese call Tibet cypress, in fact, they call it Xizang cypress (西藏柏木 Xīzàng bǎimù). Tibet being the translation of Xizang. Since Farjon it has turned out that genetically C. gigantea and C. austrotibetica are indeed species in their own right. There is however a big problem for the Chinese, although C. austrotibetica is a valid and accepted species name, its scientific name contains the word “Tibet” and I don't know why this blocks them. Rather than accepting this scientific name, they continue to call these cypresses C. torulosa.
But, in reading a Chinese article on the tallest tree in Asia, another problem seems to be looming. Indeed, in the Cupressus Conservation Project Bulletin 10(2): (2021) we reported the presence of a second species located 3 km east of Tongmai, Cupressus rushforthii, which the Chinese now call Tongmai cypress (通麦 柏木 Tōngmài bǎimù). There is therefore a risk of confusion with Cupressus tongmaiensis which is a synonym of C. austrotibetica.
In summary :
Cupressus tongmaiensis = Cupressus austrotibetica
Tongmai cypress (Tōngmài bǎimù) = Cupressus rushforthii
Tibet cypress (Xīzàng bǎimù) = Cupressus austrotibetica (« the C. torulosa » of the Palung Zangbo and the Yi’ong Zangbo valley)
Giant cypress (Jù bǎi) = Cupressus gigantea
Asia's tallest tree (102 m) = Cupressus austrotibetica

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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by Lucas » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:49 am

I received this today.


Hi Lucas,

I saw the ents thread on China’s tallest tree.
http://ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=9739

I don't have a user name for the ents-bbs anymore, thus I cannot comment online and write to you privately.

You referred to the Cupressus Conservation Project and cupressus.net when discussing the species identity of the new tallest Chinese tree. Note that the Cupressus Conservation Project and cupressus.net are not reliable scientific sources. They are led by a couple of wanna-be-scientists who have never been to the Himalayas and who try to push their opinions everywhere. For example, they have made much confusion by claiming Bhutan cypress (with the 95 m tall tree estimated by Miehe) should be called Cupressus tortulosa (not torulosa!) instead of C. cashmeriana.

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Kouta from Germany

Thx Kouta
Wow things are bad when tree news is fake news.
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Re: China’s tallest tree

Post by Lucas » Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:23 am

I would add that we should have a little bit respect for Chinese scientists despite the current political tensions between China and the western countries. The study on the tall cypress was mady by a Chinese university, thus I suppose there were experts to identify the species. Now European "experts" who have never been there claim to know the tree better.

On monumentaltrees we have named the tree Cupressus gigantea, as the taxon is sometimes considered a variety of C. torulosa (C. torulosa var. gigantea) and the other variety (var. torulosa) grows in the western Himalayas. Furthermore, on the youtube video, apparently mady by the measurerers themselves, they call it "Tibetan cypress" (=C. gigantea). Note that on youtube they have nothing against the word "Tibet". (In your writing someone said the Chinese does not accept the name austrotibetica because it has the word "Tibet".)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCU93Rghb-Q

The tree is apparently not very remote as M. Taylor supposed. Two monumentaltrees users found the location by comparing videos, photos and satellite images, and it is quite close to roads.

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/map/chn/westernchina/xizang/33094_yarlungzangbograndcanyonnationalnaturereserve/60731/

Feel free to add this to the ents-bbs, if you like.

Kouta

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