Western States Rucker Comparisons

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Post by dbhguru » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:21 pm

OMG, Brian,

You are unstoppable. We've got to figure out a way to get this published. It is a treasure trove.

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Post by bbeduhn » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:06 am

British Columbia

Vancouver Island

San Juan River
Measurer: Bob Van Pelt
sitka spruce P. sitchensis 205.0' 62.50m

Vancouver Is
Measurer: benjoner
black cottonwood P. trichocarpa 105.9' 32.30m

Kelsey Bay
Measurer: Bob Van Pelt
1. Alaska cypress C. nootkatensis 200.1' 61.0m

Measurer: Vincent Hanlon and unknown. Carmanah Giant was measured
in 1990, at 312'. Drone footage from 90m was below top and from 105m was above top. It appears to be
1. sitka spruce P. sitchensis 314.9' 96.0m "Carmanah Giant"
1a. sitka spruce P. sitchensis "Party Tree" 276.9' 84.4m
1b. sitka spruce P. sirchensis "Major Tom" 252.6' 77.0m
2. Pacific silver fir P. amabilis 206.7' 63.0m

unknown locations
1. Doug-fir Ps. menciesii 282.1' 86.0m tape drop
2. W redcedar Th. plicata 183.7' 56.0m
3. bigleaf maple A. macropyllum 95.0' 29.0m
4. red alder U. rubra 80.7' 24.6m

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Post by Mark Collins » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:06 pm

Hi Brian,

For the sake of accuracy, I once visited the tallest Valley Oak in Covelo several years ago, but I am not the measurer. I believe it was probably Michael Taylor.

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Re: Western States Rucker Comparisons

Post by tsharp » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:46 pm

After reviewing tree height posting on the BBS and the Treesdb site I have calculated udated Rhi-5 and 10 for Arizona.
RHI -5 is 132.9 ft, 40.50 m: RHI- 10 119.8 ft, 36.51m

1. Ponderosa Pine P. ponderosa 150.5' 45.87m Oak Creek Canyon
2. Rocky Mtn Doug-fir Ps. Menzeii var. glauca 145.0' 44.20m Pinaleno Mountains
3. Engelmann Spruce P. engelmannii 126.0' 38.40m Kaibab Lake
4. Corkbark Fir A. lasiocarpa var. arizonica 123.0’ 37.49m Barbershop Spring
5. Arizona Sycamore P. wrightii 119.9' 36.55m Oak Creek Canyon
6. Southwestern White Pine P. strobiformis 114.9’ 35.02m Barbershop Spring
7. Lombardy Poplar P. nigra 111.5' 33.99m Oak Creek Canyon
8. Arizona Alder A. oblongifolia 105.9' 32.27m Pinaleno Mountains
9. Fremont Cottonwood P. fremontii 101.3' 30.88 Oak Creek Canyon
10. Quaking Aspen P. tremuloides 99.8' 30.42m Aspen Corner

The following postings can be found the BBS under Western United States – Arizona

Barbershop Spring under Arizona September 2016, posted 11/21/2016
Ponderosa Pine (Pinus ponderosa) 10.0' x 138.9'
Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir (Psuedotsuga menziesii var. glauca) 9.4' x 125.0'
Corkbark Fir (Abies lasiocarpa var. arizonica ) 9.6' x 123.0'
Southwestern White Pine (Pinus strobiformis) 12.5' x 114.9'
Trembling Aspen (Populus tremuloides) 6.6' x 93.6'
Gambel Oak (Quercus gambelii) 6.4' x 63.7'
This location provided Corkbark Fir and Southwestern White pine to the Rucker Indices

Oak Creek Canyon under Northern Arizona 2016, posted 9/9/2015
Ponderosa Pine (Pinus ponderosa) 12.5' x 150.4' (height)
Lombardy Poplar (Populus nigra) 6.4' x 111.5' (height)
Arizona Alder (Alnus oblonifolia) 9.5' x 85.0', ## x 87.5 (circumference and height)
Arizona Cypress (Hespercyparis arizonica) # x 71.4', 6.0' x 43.4' (circumference and height)
Rocky Mountain Juniper (Juniperus scopulorum) 3.3' x 56.2' (height)
This posting updated the heights of the Ponderosa Pine and Lombardy Poplar first measured in 2012

Aspen Corner under Northern Arizona 2016, posted 9/9/2015
Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir (Psuedotsuga menziesii var. glauca) 16.9' x 113.1'
Southwestern White Pine (Pinus strobiformis) 11.5' x 83.3', 10.6' x 108.7'
Quaking Aspen (Populus tremuloides) 5.8' x 99.8'
White Fir (Abies concolor)5.2' x 89.9'
Engelmann Spruce (Picea engelmannii[) 7.2' x 78.9'
This site yielded a height for Quaking Aspen for the Rucker Indices

Pinaleno Mountains under Southern Arizona posted 1/26/2013
Arizona Alder (Alnus oblongifolia) 9.8’ x 105.9’ (top out)
Arizona Pine (Pinus arizonica var. arizonica) 7.9’ x 81.4’
Ponderosa Pine (Pinus ponderosa var. brachyptera) 7.2’ x 87.0’
Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir (Psuedotsuga menziesii var. menziesii) # x 145.0’, 10.7’ x 88.0’
Silverleaf Oak (Quercus hypoleucoides) 5.4’ x 36.4’
This sited yielded heights for Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir and Arizona Alder tor the Ricker indices.

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Re: Western States Rucker Comparisons

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:40 pm

Thanks, Turner! I've done what I can but it has been a bit overwhelming at times. I know I've missed some numbers. The good news is I'm still finding more and more numbers in odd places. Europe is a bit daunting. Monumental Trees is loaded with entries.

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Re: Western States Rucker Comparisons

Post by Matt Markworth » Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:39 am

Hey Brian! Cool lists!

I don't know if Will ever posted about it, but he had a 165.3' Rocky Mountain ponderosa pine in Hermosa Creek, CO in 2015.

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Re: Western States Rucker Comparisons

Post by MarkGraham » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:38 pm

These lists are really interesting, thank you.

For the 99.06 meter Noble Fir, it was destroyed by the May 18, 1980 eruption of Mount St Helens.

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