Rucker Comparisons

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Re: Rucker Comparisons

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Bob,

I thought I was done but the ideas keep flowing like a river. It's a watershed moment. The roots have taken hold. No steroids as of yet.

Brian

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South Carolina & some NC rivers that flow into South Carolina (excluding the Chattooga, as it's with Georgia's numbers,
except for the composite, which will be included
for the Savannah River's numbers)
Much of South Carolina's watershed move from lake to lake through a series of dams, thus some lakes
which will be used instead of rivers.

Lake Jocassee

Laurel Fork, Jocassee Gorges
Mountains
Measurers: Brian Beduhn, Will Blozan, Jess Riddle, Michael Davie, Josh Kelly
R10 = 149.01' 45.41m
R5 = 157.08' 47.87m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 177.0' 53.95m
2. white pine P. strobus 161.9' 49.34m
3. cucumbertree M. acuminata 149.0' 45.41m
4. E. hemlock Ts. canadensis 148.9' 45.38m
5. N red oak Q. rubra 148.6' 45.29m
6. sweetgum L. styraciflua 146.7' 44.71m
7. black locust R. pseudoacacia 146.0' 44.50m
8. pignut hickory C. glabra 140.0' 42.67m
9. mockernut hickory C. alba 139.6' 42.55m
10. white oak Q. alba 132.4' 40.35m


Toxaway River
Mountains
Measurers: Brian Beduhn, Will Blozan
RHI 5 = 141.56' 43.14m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 169.0' 51.51m
2. white pine P. strobus 145.7' 44.41m
3. black locust R. pseudoacacia 135.0' 41.14m
4. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 131.0' 39.92m
5. mockernut hickory C. alba 127.1' 38.74m


Horsepasture River
Mountains
Measurer: Brian Beduhn
RHI 5 = 137.94' 42.04m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 172.2' 52.48m
2. sweetgum L. styraciflua 136.9' 41.72m
3. pignut hickory C. glabra 130.3' 39.71m
4. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 126.5' 38.55m
5. black locust R. pseudoacacia 123.8' 37.73m


Bearcamp Creek
Mountains
Measurer: Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 137.68' 41.96m
RHI 5 = 149.26' 45.49m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 177.6' 54.13m
2. white pine P. strobus 163.7' 49.89m
3. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 138.1' 42.09m
4. white oak Q. alba 136.5' 41.60m
5. red maple A. rubrum 130.4' 39.74m
6. Am beech F. grandifolia 129.5' 39.47m
7. pignut hickory C. glabra 128.8' 39.25m
8. N red oak Q. rubra 127.7' 38.92m
9. mockernut hickory C. alba 125.1' 38.13m
10. black locust R. pseudoacacia 119.4' 36.39m


Whitewater River
Mountains
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Will Blozan, Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 136.98 41.75m
RHI 5 = 146.88' 44.77m

1. white pine P. strobus 156.4' 47.67m
2. N red oak Q. rubra 154.7' 47.15m
3. white oak Q. alba 145.2' 44.25m
4. tuliptree L. tulipifera 142.9' 43.55m
5. mockernut hickory C. alba 135.2' 41.20m
6. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 131.9' 40.20m
7. black oak Q. velutina 128.0' 39.01m
8. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 125.8' 38.34m
9. pignut hickory C. glabra 125.6' 38.28m
10. black locust R. pseudoacacia 124.1' 37.82m


Jocassee Lake composite
RHI 10 = 151.14' 46.06m
RHI 5 = 158.78' 48.39m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 177.6' 54.13m Bearcamp
2. white pine P. strobus 163.7' 49.89m Bearcamp
3. N red oak Q. rubra 154.7' 47.15m Whitewater
4. cucumbertree M. acuminata 149.0' 45.41' Laurel
5. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 148.9' 45.38' Laurel
6. sweetgum L. styraciflua 146.7' 44.71' Laurel
7. black locust R, pseudoacacia 146.0' 44.50m Laurel
8. white oak Q. alba 145.2' 44.25m Whitewater
9. pignut hickory C. glabra 140.0' 42.67m Laurel
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 139.6' 42.55m Laurel


Lake Keowee (excluding Lake Jocassee)

Eastatoe Creek (includes Eastatoe Gorge, Jewel Branch, Peach Orchard Branch, Wadakoe Mtn)
Mountains
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Brian Beduhn
RHI 5 = 153.62' 46.82m
RHI 10 = 146.18' 44.55m
RHI 20 = 137.90' 42.03m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 161.3' 49.16m
2. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 153.4' 46.75m
2. black locust R. pseudoacacia 153.4' 46.75m
4. pignut hickory C. glabra 152.6' 46.51m
5. N red oak Q. rubra 147.4' 44.92m
6. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 141.5' 43.13m
7. cucumbertree M. acuminata 139.9' 42.64m
8. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 138.6' 42.24m
9. white pine P. strobus 137.1' 41.78m
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 136.6' 41.63m

11. chestnut oak Q. montana 133.6' 40.72m
11. shortleaf pine P. echinata 133.6' 40.72m
13. red maple A. rubrum 133.3' 40.63m
14. white oak Q. alba 130.8' 39.86m
15. scarlet oak Q. coccinea 130.7' 39.83m
16. Am beech F. grandifolia 129.4' 39.44m
17. white basswood T. heterophylla 129.0' 39.32m
18. sweetgum L. styraciflua 126.7' 38.61m
19. black oak Q. velutina 124.7' 38.00m
20. pitch pine P. rigida 124.5' 37.94m


Oconee Creek (contains the Central Brevard Zone, including Tammassee Knob, Station Cove, Alexander Creek, Winding
Stairs)
Mountains
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Brian Beduhn
RHI 5 = 164.14' 50.03m
RHI 10 = 157.43' 47.98m
RHI 20 = 147.21' 44.87m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 177.1' 53.98m
2. red hickory C. ovalis 168.2' 51.26m R
3. bitternut hickory 166.3' 50.68m R
4. N red oak Q. rubra 155.4' 47.36m
5. mockernut hickory C. alba 153.7' 46.84m R
6. chestnut oak Q. monrana 153.6' 46.81m R
7. sweetgum L. styraciflua 151.4' 46.14m
8. pignut hickory C. glabra 151.3' 46.11m
9. white ash F. americana 148.7' 45.32m
10. white oak Q. alba 148.6' 45.29m

11. shortleaf pine P. echinata 148.5' 45.26m R2
12. black oak Q. velutina 145.2' 44.25m R
13. red elm (slippery) U. rubra 142.5' 43.43m R
14. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 139.6' 42.55m
15. white basswood T. heterophylla 137.9' 42.03m
16. black walnut J. nigra 134.7' 41.05m
17. Am beech F. grandifolia 134.1' 40.87m
18. white pine P. strobus 132.5' 40.38m
19. black locust R. pseudoacacia 131.6' 40.11m
20. sand hickory C. pallida 123.3' 37.58m


Lake Keowee composite (excluding Lake Jocassee)
RHI 5 = 164.14' 50.03m
RHI 10 = 158.51' 48.31m
RHI 20 = 150.34' 45.82m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 177.1' 53.98m
2. red hickory C. ovalis 168.2' 51.26m Oconee R
3. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 166.3' 50.68m Oconee R
4. N red oak Q. rubra 155.4' 47.36m Oconee
5. mockernut hickory C. alba 153.7' 46.84m Oconee R
6. chestnut oak Q. monrana 153.6' 46.81m Oconee R
7. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 153.4' 46.81m Eastatoe
7. black locust R. pseudoacacia 153.4' 46.81m Eastatoe
9. pignut hickory C. glabra 152.6' 46.57m Eastatoe
10. sweetgum L. styraciflua 151.4' 46.14m Oconee

11. white ash F. americana 148.7' 45.32m Oconee
12. white oak Q. alba 148.6' 45.29m Oconee R
13. shortleaf pine P. echinata 148.5' 45.26m Oconee R2
14. black oak Q. velutina 145.2' 44.25m Oconee R
15. red elm (slippery) U. rubra 142.5' 43.43m Oconee R
16. cucumbertree M. acuminata 139.9' 42.64m Eastatoe
17. E hemlock Rs. canadensis 138.6' 42.24m Eastatoe
18. white basswood T. heterophylla 137.9' 42.03m Eastatoe
19. white pine P. strobus 137.1' 41.78m Eastatoe
20. black walnur J. nigra 134.7' 41.05m Oconee


Saluda (North, South, and Middle Saluda Rivers combined) (contains Jones Gap, Oil Camp Creek, and Caesar's Head)
Mountains
Measurer: Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 134.99' 41.14m
RHI 5 = 140.76' 42.90m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 150.1' 45.75m
2. pignut hickory C. glabra 144.4' 44.01m
3. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 137.3' 41.85m
4. N red oak Q. rubra 136.2' 41.51m
5. mockernut hickory C. alba 135.8' 41.39m
6. chestnut oak Q. montana 134.5' 40.99m
7. white oak Q. alba 130.8' 39.86m
8. white pine P. strobus 129.5' 39.47m
9. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 126.5' 38.55m
10. red hickory C. ovalis 124.8' 38.04m


Broad River (includes some numbers from NC)

Fairforest River (contains Croft State Park) and Enoree (Buncombe Trail)
Piedmont
Measurer: Brian Beduhn, Will Blozan, Michael Davie
RHI 10 = 132.62' 40.42m
RHI 5 = 141.84' 43.23m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 154.2' 47.00m Croft
2. loblolly pine P. taeda 143.1' 43.61m BT
3. sycamore P. occidentalis 141.3' 43.06m Croft
4. N red oak Q. rubra 140.0' 42.67m Croft
5. white oak Q. alba 139.0' 42.36m Croft
6. sweetgum L. styraciflua 134.7' 41.05m Croft
7. S shagbark hickory C. ovata australis 125.0' 38.10m Croft
8. shortleaf pine P. echinata 124.8' 38.04m BT
9. E cottonwood P. deltoides 124.5' 37.94m Croft
10. S red oak Q. falcata 121.8' 37.12m Croft

Green River (contains Cove Creek, has seen very little measurement)
Mountains
Measurers: Brian Beduhn, James Parton
RHI 10 = 132.55' 40.40m
RHI 5 = 139.12' 42.40m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 155.4' 47.36m Green
2. white pine P. strobus 139.1' 42.39m Cove Ck
3. black locust R. pseudoacacia 134.4' 40.96m Cove Ck
4. white oak Q. alba 134.0' 40.84m Cove Ck
5. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 132.7' 40.44m Cove Ck
6. N red oak Q. rubra 132.2' 40.29m Cove Ck
7. black oak Q. velutina 126.8' 38.64m Cove Ck
8. pignut hickory C. glabra 125.4' 38.22m Cove Ck
9. cucumbertree M. acuminata 123.9' 37.76m Cove Ck
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 121.6' 37.06m Cove Ck

Pacolet River ( contains Person's Falls, NC)
Measurer: Will Blozan
RHI 10 = 124.46' 37.93m
RHI 5 = 132.20' 40.29m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 143.1' 43.61m
2. pignut hickory C. glabra 136.9' 41.72m
3. white oak Q. alba 132.1' 40.26m
4. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 126.6' 38.58m
5. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 122.3' 37.27m
6. cucumbertree M. acuminata 121.7' 37.09m
7. black oak Q. velutina 121.4' 37.00m
8. N red oak Q. rubra 117.6' 35.84m
9. bitternut hickory 115.3' 35.14m
10. white basswood T. heterophylla 107.6' 32.79m

Broad River composite
RHI 10 = 139.66' 42.56m
RHI 5 = 143.78' 43.82m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 155.4' 47.36m Green
2. loblolly pine P. taeda 143.1' 43.61m Enoree
3. sycamore P. occidentalis 141.3' 43.06m Fairforest
4. N red oak Q. rubra 140.0' 42.67m Fairforest
5. white pine P. strobus 139.1' 42.39m Green
6. white oak Q. alba 139.0' 42.36m Fairforest
7. pignut hickory C. glabra 136.9' 41.72m Pacolet
8. sweetgum L. styraciflua 134.7' 41.05m Fairforest
9. black locust R. pseudoacacia 134.4' 40.96m Green
10. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 132.7' 40.44m Green


Savannah River

Long Cane Creek
Piedmont
Measurer: Jess Riddle
R10 = 128.16' 39.06m
R5 = 133.14' 40.58m

1. cherrybark oak Q. pagoda 138.0' 42.06m
2. E cottonwood P. deltoides 135.1' 41.17m
3. sweetgum L. styraciflua 131.0' 39.92m
4. S shagbark hickory C. ovata australis 130.9' 39.89m
5. sycamore P. occidentalis 130.7' 39.83m
6. tuliptree L. tulipifera 128.1' 39.04m
7. willow oak Q. phellos 127.9' 38.98m
8. loblolly pine P. taeda 125.1' 38.13m
9. green ash F. pennsylvanica 118.8' 36.21m
10. shumard oak Q. shumardii 116.0' 35.35m


Great Pee Dee River (contains Cheraw State Park)
Coastal Plain
Measurer: Tyler Phillips
RHI 10 = 121.09' 36.90m
RHI 5 = 126.46' 38.54m

1. loblolly pine P. taeda 140.0' 42.67m
2. sweetgum L. styraciflua 127.8' 38.95m
3. tuliptree L. tulipifera 124.7' 38.00m
4. cherry bark oak Q. pagoda 121.5' 37.03m
5. pond pine P. serotina 118.6' 36.15m
6. willow oak Q. phellos 118.5' 36.11m
7. baldcypress T. distichum 116.3' 35.44m
8. longleaf pine P. palustris 114.7' 34.96m R
9. swamp chestnut oak Q. michauxii 114.6' 34.93m
10. white oak Q. alba 114.5' 34.90m


Congaree River (will also include the Broad and the Catawba Rivers as a composite)
Coastal Plain
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Tyler Phillips, Will Blozan, Marcas Houtchings, Larry Tucei, James Parton,Michael Davir, Robert Van Pelt, Ed Coyle, John Eiccholz, Doug Riddle, Jason Childs, John Parmenter, Jeff Ellsworth, David Huff
R20 = 142.42' 43.40m
R10 = 151.72' 46.24m
R5 = 160.14' 48.81m

1. loblolly pine P. taeda 172.3' 52.51m R
2. cherrybark oak Q. pagoda 160.2' 48.82m R
3. shumard oak Q. shumardii 157.6' 48.03m R
4. sweetgum L. styraciflua 157.0' 47.85m R
5. sycamore P. occidentalis 153.6' 46.81m
6. baldcypress T. distichum 148.0' 45.11m R
7. willow oak Q. phellos 144.7' 44.10m R2
8. overcup oak Q. lyrata 142.4' 43.40m R
9. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 141.1' 43.00m
10. swamp chestnut oak Q. michauxii 140.3' 42.76m R

11. water hickory C. aquatica 137.2' 41.81m R
12. Am elm U. americana 135.0' 41.14m
13. water oak Q. nigra 134.0' 40.84m R
14. sugarberry Q. laevigata 133.6' 40.72m R
15. tuliptree L. tulipifera 133.0' 40.53m
16. green ash F. pennsylvanica 132.7' 40.44m
17. water tupelo N. aquatica 132.3' 40.32m R
18. persimmon D. virginiana 131.4' 40.05m R
19. winged elm U. alata 131.1' 39.96m R
20. E cottonwood P. deltoides 131.0' 39.92m
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Re: Rucker Comparisons

Post by dbhguru » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:44 am

Brian,

NTS owes you big time for these compilations. The North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee mountains stand out so prominently in the eastern U.S. In terms of the tallest eastern species, overall, we have white pine and tuliptree as the clear winners. It isn't clear to me which species comes in 3rd. It would be interesting to scan through your compilations and see if any species rises to fill position #3.

I once thought that would be eastern hemlock because of the work of Will and Jess, but it is much less clear now. Any thoughts?

Locally here in Massachusetts, we have white pine clearly #1. White ash has been #2, but the emerald ash borer will change that. Past, ash, there is no clear winner. Tuliptree, sycamore, and hemlock are the leading candidates, and with the adelgid, hemlock is likely to be eliminated.

In the lists you compiled, the hickories impress me for their growth capabilities. Then there is loblolly pine, but outside of Congaree, there aren't many places where that species has been left to grow to the ages needed for us to see how it performs overall.

Bob
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Re: Rucker Comparisons

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:45 am

Bob,
A few species stand out as possible # 3's. As you stated, hickories stand out. Bitternut seems to be the most consistently tall throughout its range but it simply isn't present everywhere. Red and pignut also stand out but are not present everywhere. Northern red oak is a good choice for #3 as it does grow over most of the East and is consistently in any top five Rucker. Sycamore mounts a challenge but mostly in bottomland situations. It does do well in coves but it isn't often found in coves. The ash family would have had some contenders but they are also limited and dying out. I'll go over the numbers at some point and see if there is a consistent #3. Hemlock was a #2 in acidic soils.
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Tennessee (The Smokies will be used for TN, with some added to the Pigeon River composite for NC)

Cumberland River

Collins Creek (contains Savage Gulf)
Cumberland Plateau
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Michael Davie, Will Blozan
RHI 10 = 156.82' 47.79m
RHI 5 = 162.92' 49.65m
RHI 20 = 147.31' 44.90m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 170.6' 51.99m
2. red hickory C. ovalis 164.4' 50.11m
3. pignut hickory C. glabra 162.3' 49.47m R
4. sand hickory C. pallida 160.8' 49.01m R
5. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 156.5' 47.70m
6. shagbark hickory C. ovata 154.2' 47.00m R
7. white basswood T. heterophylla 151.7' 46.23m
8. red oak Q. rubra 150.1' 45.75m
8. sweetgum L. styraciflua 150.1' 45.75m
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 147.5' 44.95m

11. cucumbertree M. acuminata 147.3' 44.89m
12. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 146.7' 44.71m
13. Am beech F. grandifolia 143.2' 43.64m R
14. chestnut oak Q. montana 139.6' 42.55m
15. Am elm U. americana 137.6' 41.94m R
16. yellow buckeye A. flava 137.4' 41.88m
17. sugar maple A. saccharum 136.0' 41.45m
18. sycamore P. occidentalis 132.9' 40.50m
19. white oak Q. alba 130.0' 39.62m
20. black walnut J. nigra 127.3' 38.80m


Caney Fork (contains Fall Creek Falls)
Cumberland Plateau
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Will Blozan
RHI 10 = 142.80' 43.52m
RHI 5 = 150.98' 46.01m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 159.7' 48.67m
2. white basswood T. heterophylla 153.2' 46.69m R
3. shagbark hickory C. ovata 147.7' 45.01m
4. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 147.6' 44.98m
5. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 146.7' 44.71m
6. yellow buckeye A. flava 139.4' 42.49m
7. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 137.4' 41.88m
8. Am beech F. grandifolia 136.3' 41.54m
9. sycamore P. occidentalis 132.9' 40.50m
10. sugar maple A. saccharum 127.1' 38.74m


Cumberland River composite
RHI 5 = 162.92' 49.65m
RHI 10 = 156.97' 47.84m
RHI 20 = 147.99' 45.10m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 170.6' 51.99m
2. red hickory C. ovalis 164.4' 50.11m
3. pignut hickory C. glabra 162.3' 49.47m R
4. sand hickory C. pallida 160.8' 49.01m R
5. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 156.5' 47.70m
6. shagbark hickory C. ovata 154.2' 47.00m R
7. white basswood T. heterophylla 153.2' 46.69m R
8. red oak Q. rubra 150.1' 45.75m
8. sweetgum L. styraciflua 150.1' 45.75m
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 147.5' 44.95m

11. cucumbertree M. acuminata 147.3' 44.89m
12. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 146.7' 44.71m
13. Am beech F. grandifolia 143.2' 43.64m R
14. chestnut oak Q. montana 139.6' 42.55m
15. yellow buckeye A. flava 139.4' 42.49m
16. Am elm U. americana 137.6' 41.94m R
17. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 137.4' 41.88m
18. sugar maple A. saccharum 136.0' 41.45m
19. sycamore P. occidentalis 132.9' 40.50m
20. white oak Q. alba 130.0' 39.62m


Emory River (contains Frozen Head State Park)
Mountains
Measurer: Jess Riddle
RHI 10 = 141.80' 43.22m
RHI 5 = 147.86' 45.06m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 159.1' 48.49m
2. shagbark hickory C. ovata 153.9' 46.90m R2
3. red hickory C. ovalis 144.4' 44.01m
4. Biltmore ash F. bilrmoreana 141.1' 43.00m
5. chestnut oak Q. montana 140.8' 42.91m
6. sycamore P. occidentalis 138.8' 42.30m
7. white pine P. strobus 137.4' 41.88m
8. black cherry P. serotina 137.1' 41.78m
9. white ash F. americana 135.9' 41.42m
10. cucumbertree M. acuminata 129.6' 39.50m


Mississippi (direct inflows from Memphis, contains Overton Park and Meeman-Shelby State Park)
Coastal Plain
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Will Blozan, Michael Davie
RHI 20 = 131.87' 40.19m
RHI 10 = 140.25' 42.74m
RHI 5 = 149.04' 45.42m

1. E cottonwood P. deltoides 154.4' 47.06m M-S R
2. sycamore P. occidentalis 152.9' 46.60m M-S
3. tuliptree L. tulipifera 151.5' 46.17m M-S
4. sweetgum L. styraciflua 143.7' 43.80m M-S
5. cherrybark oak Q. pagoda 142.7' 43.49m Overton
6. shumard oak Q. shumardii 137.1' 41.78m Overton
7. white oak Q. alba 131.0' 39.92m M-S
8. N red oak Q. rubra 130.3' 39.71m M-S
9. honeylocust G. triocanthos 129.9' 39.59m M-S
10. white basswood T. heterophylla 129.0' 39.32m M-S

11. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 128.9' 39.28m M-S
12. nuttall oak Q. texana 127.3' 38.81m M-S
13. overcup oak Q. lyrata 126.6' 38.58m M-S
14. Am beech F. grandifolia 126.5' 38.55m M-S
15. red maple A. rubrum 123.2' 37.55m M-S
16. baldcypress T. distichum 121.7' 37.09m M-S
17. Kentucky coffeetree G. dioicus 121.2' 36.94m M-S
18. chinquapin oak Q. muehlinbergii 120.8' 36.82m M-S
19. white ash F. americana 120.2' 36.63m Overton
20. red elm (slippery) U. rubra 118.6' 36.15m M-S


Great Smoky Mountains National Park

Abrams Creek
Measurers: Michael Davie, Will Blozan
RHI 10 = 148.81' 45.35m
RHI 5 = 159.96' 48.75m

1. white pine P. strobus 175.0' 53.34m
2. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 163.8' 49.92m
3. tuliptree L. tulipifera 160.1' 48.79m
4. pignut hickory C. glabra 151.4' 46.14m
5. shagbark hickory C. ovata 149.5' 45.56m
6. shortleaf pine P. echinata 149.2' 45.47m R
7. chestnut oak Q. montana 144.4' 44.01m
8. sycamore P. occidentalis 137.2' 41.81m
9. pitch pine P. rigida 135.4' 41.27m
10. Am beech F. grandifolia 122.1' 37.21m


West Prong Pigeon River (contains Sugarlands)
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Michael Davie, Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 132.68' 40.44m
RHI 5 = 143.32' 43.68m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 148.1' 45.14m
2. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 147.5' 44.95m
3. yellow buckeye A. flava 146.5' 44.65m
4. sugar maple A. saccharum 141.5' 43.13m
5. black locust R. pseudoacacia 133.0' 40.53m
6. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 131.9' 40.20m
7. white basswood T. heterophylla 128.3' 39.10m
8. black cherry P. serotina 122.4' 37.30m
9. N red oak Q. rubra 121.9' 37.15m
10. mtn silverbell H. monticola 106.5' 32.46m


Little Pigeon (Greenbrier, Sugarlands)
Measurers: Michael Davie, Will Blozan, Jess Riddle, Josh Kelly, Bob Leverett, Brian Beduhn
R20 = 135.85' 41.40m
R10 = 151.18' 46.08m
R5 = 159.94' 48.75m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 173.4' 52.85m
2. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 165.9' 50.56m
3. yellow buckeye A. flava 157.3' 47.94m
4. red spruce P. rubens 154.7' 47.15m Alum Cave
5. black locust R. pseudoacacia 152.1' 46.36m
6. sugar maple A. saccharum 151.0' 46.02m R
7. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 147.5' 44.95m Sugarland Mtn
8. black cherry P. serotina 146.0' 44.50m
9. white ash F. americana 143.5' 43.73m
10. red maple A. rubrum 142.6' 43.46m

11. white basswood T. heterophylla 137.1' 41.78m
12. sycamore P. occidentalis 135.4' 41.27m
13. N red oak Q. rubra 133.4' 40.66m
14. black walnut J. nigra 128.5' 39.16m
15. mtn silverbell H. monticola 125.8' 38.34m
16. fraser magnolia M. fraseri 117.5' 35.81m
17. red hickory C. ovalis 116.5' 35.51m
18. Am beech F. grandifolia 114.5' 34.90m
19. black gum N. sylvatica 112.1' 34.16m
20. black birch B. lenta 111.1' 33.86m


Cosby Creek
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Michael Davie, Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 135.84' 41.40m
RHI 5 = 144.92' 44.17m

1. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 156.8' 47.79m
2. tuliptree L. tulipifera 154.1' 46.97m
3. black walnut J. nigra 144.3' 43.98m R
4. yellow buckeye A. flava 135.1' 41.17m
5. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 134.3' 40.93m
6. white basswood T. heterophylla 130.6' 39.80m
7. white ash F. americana 129.2' 39.38m
8. sugar maple A. saccharum 128.4' 39.13m
9. Am beech F. grandifolia 124.7' 38.00m
10. sycamore P. occidentalis 120.9' 36.85m


Little River (contains Elkmont)
Measurers: Will Blozan, Jess Riddle, Michael Davie, Josh Kelly
R10 = 153.98' 46.93m
R5 = 162.12' 49.41m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 184.9' 56.35m
2. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 162.2' 49.43m R
3. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 160.1' 48.79m
4. sycamore P. occidentalis 154.7' 47.15m
5. white basswood T. heterophylla 151.0' 46.02m
6. N red oak Q. rubra 148.4' 45.23m
7. black cherry P. serotina 146.2' 44.56m
8. cucumbertree M. acuminata 145.0' 44.19m
9. yellow buckeye A. flava 144.1' 43.92m
10. red maple A. rubrum 143.2' 43.64m R
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North Carolina #1 ( Great Smoky Mountains will be included. Some watersheds enter TN and SC)

Little Tennessee River (many watersheds lead into this)

Abrams Creek
Measurers: Michael Davie, Will Blozan
RHI 10 = 148.81' 45.35m
RHI 5 = 159.96' 48.75m

1. white pine P. strobus 175.0' 53.34m
2. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 163.8' 49.92m
3. tuliptree L. tulipifera 160.1' 48.79m
4. pignut hickory C. glabra 151.4' 46.14m
5. shagbark hickory C. ovata 149.5' 45.56m
6. shortleaf pine P. echinata 149.2' 45.47m R
7. chestnut oak Q. montana 144.4' 44.01m
8. sycamore P. occidentalis 137.2' 41.81m
9. pitch pine P. rigida 135.4' 41.27m
10. Am beech F. grandifolia 122.1' 37.21m


Cheoah

Santeetlah Creek, Joyce Kilmer, Nanatahala NF
Measurer: Jess Riddle, Josh Kelly
RHI 10 = 148.30' 45.20m
RHI 5 = 160.10' 48.79m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 179.7’ 54.77m
2. white pine P. strobus 176.3' 53.73m
3. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 154.8’ 47.18m
4. cucumbertree M. acuminata 147.3' 44.89m
5. pignut hickory C. glabra 142.4' 43.40m
6. white ash F. americana 139.7' 42.58m
7. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 139.3' 42.45m
8. sycamore P. occidentalis 136.8' 41.69m
9. black cherry P. serotina 134.2' 40.90m
10. N red oak Q. rubra 132.5' 40.38m


Lake Fontana

Tuckaseegee

Oconaluftee
Measurers: Will Blozan, Jess Riddle, Michael Davie, Josh Kelly, Brian Beduhn
R20 = 142.89' 43.55m
R10 = 156.12'' 47.58m
R5 = 165.42' 50.42m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 188.0' 57.30m
2. black locust R. pseudoacacia 171.8' 52.36m R
3. E hemlock Ts canadensis 156.2' 47.60m
4. sycamore P. occidentalis 155.8' 47.48m
5. red spruce P. rubens 155.3' 47.33m R
6. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 148.6' 45.29m
7. white ash F. americana 147.8' 45.05m
8. cucumbertree M. acuminata 146.8' 44.74m
9. white basswood T. heterophylla 146.6' 44.68m
10. N red oak Q. rubra 144.3' 43.98m

11. Am beech F. grandifolia 142.8' 43.52m R2
12. black cherry P. serotina 140.9' 42.94m
13. yellow buckeye A. flava 139.1' 42.39m
14. pignut hickory C. glabra 137.4' 41.88m
15. chestnut oak Q. montana 134.7' 41.05m
16. white oak Q. alba 130.9' 39.89m
17. black oak Q. velutina 129.7' 39.53m
18. sugar maple A. saccharum 126.1' 38.43m
19. black birch B. lenta 110.2' 33.58m
20. Am serviceberry A. bartramiana 104.9' 31.97m


Deep Creek
Measurers: Josh Kelly, Will Blozan, Jess Riddle
RHI 5 = 149.60' 45.60m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 191.9' 58.49m R
2. red spruce P. rubens 155.3' 47.33m R
3. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 140+ 42.6m
4. cucumbertree M. acuminata 139.6' 42.55m
5. yellow buckeye A. flava 123.9' 37.76m


Barkers Creek east/Middle Forks, Haywood Co, Nantahala NF
Mountains
Measurers: Jess Riddle, Will Blozan, Brian Beduhn 2011-2012
R10 = 143.22' 43.65m
R5 = 152.24' 46.40m

1. tuliptree L. rulipifera 184.5' 56.23m
2. white pine P. strobus 147.1' 44.83m
3. white basswood T. heterophylla 146.4' 44.62m
4. cucumbertree M. acuminata 143.3' 43.67m
5. N red oak Q. rubra 139.9' 42.64m
6. white ash F. americana 139.8' 42.61m
7. black locust R. pseudoacacia 137.7' 41.97m
8. chestnut oak Q. montana 134.4' 40.96m
9. black cherry P. serotina 132.6' 40.41m
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 126.5' 38.55m


Tuckaseegee composite
RHI 5 = 166.20' 50.65m
RHI 10 = 156.79' 47.78m
RHI 20 = 146.01' 44.50m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 191.9' 58.49m
2. black locust R. pseudoacacia 171.8' 52.36m R
3. E hemlock Ts canadensis 156.2' 47.60m
4. sycamore P. occidentalis 155.8' 47.48m
5. red spruce P. rubens 155.3' 47.33m R
6. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 148.6' 45.29m
7. white ash F. americana 147.8' 45.05m
8. white pine P. strobus 147.1' 44.83m
9. cucumbertree M. acuminata 146.8' 44.74m
10. white basswood T. heterophylla 146.6' 44.68m

11. N red oak Q. rubra 144.3' 43.98m
12. Am beech F. grandifolia 142.8' 43.52m R2
13. black cherry P. serotina 140.9' 42.94m
14. yellow buckeye A. flava 139.1' 42.39m
15. pignut hickory C. glabra 137.4' 41.88m
16. chestnut oak Q. montana 134.7' 41.05m
17. white oak Q. alba 130.9' 39.89m
18. black oak Q. velutina 129.7' 39.53m
19. mockernut hickory C. alba 126.5' 38.55m
20. sugar maple A. saccharum 126.1' 38.43m


Forney Creek (Welch Branch)
Measurers: Will Blozan, Michael Davie, Josh Kelly, Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 135.67' 41.35m
RHI 5 = 150.06' 45.73m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 188.4' 57.42m
2. N red oak Q. rubra 156.3' 47.64m R2
3. white pine P. strobus 142.6' 43.46m
4. black locust R. pseudoacacia 133.0' 40.53m
5. red maple A. rubrum 130.0' 39.62m
6. sycamore P. occidentalis 129.2' 39.38m
7. shortleaf pine P. echinata 125.5' 38.25m
8. white oak Q. alba 124.1' 37.82m
9. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 120.0' 36.57m
10. black birch B. lenta 107.6' 32.79m


Nantahala River (contains Wesser Creek)
Mountains
Measurer: Michael Davie
R5 = 144.69’. 44.10m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 178.2’ 54.31m
2. white basswood T. heterophylla 147.0' 44.80m
3. yellow buckeye A. flava 141.0' 42.97m
4. N red oak Q. rubra 132.8' 40.47m
5. sycamore P. occidentalis 127.7' 38.92m


Little Tennessee composite
RHI 5 = 172.02' 52.43m
RHI 10 = 162.13' 49.41m
RHI 20 = 152.69' 46.54m


1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 191.9' 58.49m Deep Creek R
2. white pine P. strobus 176.3' 53.73m Santeetlah
3. black locust R. pseudoacaia 171.8' 52.36m Oconaluftee R
4. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 163.8' 49.92m Abrams Creek
5. E red oak Q. rubra 156.3' 47.64m Forney Creek R
6. sycamore P. occidentalis 155.8' 47.48m Oconaluftee
7. red spruce P. rubens 155.3' 47.33m Deep Creek
8. pignut hickory C. glabra 151.4' 46.14m Abrams Creek
9. shagbark hickory C. ovata 149.5' 45.56m Abrams Creek
10. shortleaf pine P. echinata 149.2' 45.47m Abrams Creek

11. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 148.6' 45.29m Oconaluftee
12. white ash F. americana 147.8' 45.05m Oconaluftee
13. cucumbertree M. acuminata 147.3' Santeetlah
14. white basswood T. heterophylla 147.0' 44.80m Nantahala
15. chestnut oak Q. montana 144.4' 44.01m Abrams Creek
16. Am beech F. grandifolia 142.8' 43.52m Oconaluftee R2
17. black cherry P. serotina 140.9' 42.94m Oconaluftee
18. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 139.3' 42.45m Santeetlah
19. yellow buckeye A. flava 139.1' 42.39m Oconaluftee
20. pitch pine P. rigida 135.4' 41.27m Abrams Creek
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North Carolina #2

Pigeon River

Cataloochee Creek
Measurers: Will Blozan, Michael Davie, Jess Riddle, Josh Kelly, Bob Leverett, Brian Beduhn mid 1990's - 2018
R20 = 145.26' 44.27m
R10 = 160.60' 48.95m
R5 = 174.34' 53.13m

1. white pine P. strobus 207.0' 63.09m R
2. tuliptree L. tulipifera 177.6' 54.13m
3. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 173.1' 52.76m R
4. white ash F. americana 163.0' 49.68m
5. yellow buckeye A. flava 151.0' 46.02m
6. shagbark hickory C. ovata 148.5' 45.26m
7. white oak Q. alba 147.4' 44.92m
8. white basswood T. heterophylla 147.0' 44.80m
9. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 146.4' 44.62m
10. cucumbertree M. acuminata 145.0' 44.19m

11. red maple A. rubrum 142.4' 43.40m R2
12. red spruce P. rubens 142.1' 43.31m
13. chestnut oak Q. montana 141.9' 43.25m
14. N red oak Q. rubra 140.9' 42.94m
15. black locust R. pseudoacacia 129.9' 39.59m
16. sycamore P. occidentalis 128.5' 39.16m
17. sugar maple A. saccharum 126.2' 38.46m
18. mtn silverbell H. monticola 118.5' 36.11m
19. black gum N. sylvatica 114.9' 35.02m
20. black birch B. lenta 114.0' 34.74m


Big Creek
Measurers: Will Blozan, Michael Davie, Jess Riddle, Brian Beduhn, Bob Leverett, Josh Kelly 2002-2020
R20 = 150.04' 45.73m
R10 = 159.42' 48.59m
R5 = 167.40' 51.02m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 186.1' 56.72m
2. white ash F. americana 167.1' 50.93m R
3. sycamore P. occidentalis 165.5' 50.44m R
4. black locust R. pseudoacia 162.0' 49.37m
5. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 156.3' 47.64m
6. N red oak Q. rubra 155.7' 47.45m
7. cucumbertree M. acuminata 151.9' 46.30m
8. white pine P. strobus 150.3' 45.81m
8. white basswood T. heterophylla 150.3' 45.81m
10. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 149.0' 45.41m

11. sweetgum L. styraciflua 147.9' 45.08m
12. sugar maple A. saccharum 144.2' 43.95m
13. yellow buckeye A. flava 143.1' 43.61m
13. chestnut oak Q. montana 143.1' 43.61m
15. red maple A. rubrum 142.4' 43.40m R2
16. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 141.7' 43.19m
17. mtn silverbell H. monticola 138.6' 42.24m R
18. black oak Q. velutina 138.4' 42.18m
19. red elm (slippery) U. rubra 135.0' 41.14m
20. black cherry P. serotina 132.2' 40.29m


Pigeon composite (in NC)
RHI 5 = 179.76' 54.79m
RHI 10 = 167.57' 51.07m
RHI 20 = 156.09' 47.57m

1. white pine P. strobus 207.0' 63.09m R
2. tuliptree L. tulipifera 186.1' 56.72m
3. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 173.1' 52.76m R
4. white ash F. americana 167.1' 50.93m R
5. sycamore P. occidentalis 165.5' 50.44m R
6. black locust R. pseudoacacia 162.0' 49.37m
7. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 156.3' 47.64m
8. N red oak Q. rubra 155.7' 47.45m
9. cucumbertree M. acuminata 151.9' 46.30m R
10. yellow buckeye A. flava 151.0' 46.02m

11. white basswood T. heterophylla 150.3' 45.81m
12. shagbark hickory C. ovata 148.5' 45.26m
13. sweetgum L. styraciflua 147.9' 45.08m
14. white oak Q. alba 147.4' 44.92m
15. sugar maple A. saccharum 144.2' 43.95m
16. chestnut oak Q. montana 143.1' 43.61m
17. red maple A. rubrum 142.4' 43.40m R2
18. red spruce P. rubens 142.1' 43.31m
19. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 141.7' 43.19m
20. mtn silverbell H. monticola 138.6' 42.24m R


Swannannoa (flows into the French Broad)

Mountains-to-Sea Trail (Swannannoa portion)
Mountains
Measurer: Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 137.40' 41.88m
RHI 5 = 145.72' 44.41m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 163.0' 49.68m
2. white pine P. strobus 158.5' 48.31m
3. white oak Q. alba 138.3' 42.15m
4. chestnut oak Q. montana 135.4' 41.27m
5. N red oak Q. rubra 133.4' 40.66m
6. red hickory C. ovalis 132.0' 40.23m
7. black oak Q. velutina 131.4' 40.05m
8. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 130.6' 39.80m
9. white ash F. americana 128.8' 39.25m
10. black cherry P. serotina 122.6' 37.36m


Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville
Mountains
Measurers: Brian Beduhn, Will Blozan
R10 = 129.79' 39.56m
R5 = 135.84' 41.40m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 144.2' 43.95m
2. pignut hickory C. glabra 139.4' 42.49m
3. white oak Q. alba 133.2' 40.60m
4. sycamore P. occidentalis 131.5' 40.08m
5. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 130.9' 39.89m
5. N red oak Q. rubra 130.9' 39.89m
7. scarlet oak Q. coccinea 128.3' 39.10m
8. mockernut hickory C. alba 126.3' 38.49m
9. black oak Q. velutina 119.0' 36.27m
10. black cherry P. serotina 114.2' 34.80m

random tall trees
Measurers: Michael Davie, Will Blozan, Brian Beduhn
red hickory C. ovalis 163.4' 49.80m
sycamore P. occidentalis 150.0' 45.72m


Swannannoa composite
RHI 10 = 144.37' 44.00m
RHI 5 = 154.86' 47.20m

1. red hickory C. ovalis 163.4' 49.80m
2. tuliptree L. tulipifera 163.0' 49.68m
3. white pine P. strobus 158.5' 48.31m
4. sycamore P. occidentalis 150.0' 45.72m
5. pignut hickory C. glabra 139.4' 42.49m
6. white oak Q. alba 138.3' 42.15m
7. chestnut oak Q. montana 135.4' 41.27m
8. N red oak Q. rubra 133.4' 40.66m
9. black oak Q. velutina 131.4' 40.05m
10. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 130.9' 40.05m


French Broad River

Davidson River, Pisgah NF
Mountains
Measurers: Brian Beduhn, Will Blozan, Jess Riddle, Michael Davie
R20 = 142.74' 43.50m
R10 = 150.90’ 45.99m
R5 = 158.88' 48.42m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 167.5' 51.05m
1. white pine P. strobus 167.5' 51.05m
3. N red oak Q. rubra 157.0' R 47.85m
4. pignut hickory C. glabra 152.1' 46.36m
5. mockernut hickory C. alba 150.3' 45.81m
6. red hickory C. ovalis 146.8' 44.74m
7. black locust R. pseudoacacia 142.7' 43.49m
8. white basswood T. heterophylla 142.3' 43.37m
9. cucumbertree M. acuminata 142.0' 43.28m
10. red maple A. rubrum 140.8' 42.91m

11. chestnut oak Q. montana 140.3' 42.76m
12. white ash F. americana 139.7' 42.58m
13. white oak Q. alba 139.6' 42.55m
14. sycamore P. occidentalis 138.8' 42.30m
15. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 138.0' 42.06m
16. Am beech F. grandifolia 137.2' 41.81m
17. E hemlock Ts, canadensis 133.9' 40.81m
18. black oak Q. velutina 130.1' 39.65m
19. pitch pine P. rigida 124.5' 37.94m
20. sugar maple A. saccharum 123.5' 37.64m


King Creek, Pisgah NF, Brevard
Mountains
Measurer: Jess Riddle
R5 = 145.56' 44.36m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 170.8' 52.06m
2. N red oak Q. rubra 143.7' 43.80m
3. white basswood T. heterophylla 142.2' 43.34m
4. sycamore P. occidentalis 138.7' 42.27m
5. chestnut oak Q. montana 132.4' 40.35m


Mountains-to-Sea Trail (French Broad secrion and Arboretum, Bent Creek)
Mountains
Measurer: Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 132.44' 40.36m
RHI 5 = 137.94' 42.04m

1. white pine P. strobus 147.3' 44.89m
2. loblolly pine P. taeda 138.2' 42.12m
3. tuliptree L. tulipifera 137.3' 41.85m
4. red hickory C. ovalis 134.8' 41.08m
5. scarlet oak Q. coccinea 132.1' 40.26m
6. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 129.3' 39.41m
7. dawn redwood M. glyptostroboides 128.9' 39.28m
8. sycamore P. occidentalis 127.1' 38.74m
9. pitch pine P. rigida 124.8' 38.04m
10. shortleaf pine P. echinata 124.6' 37.97m


Biltmore Estate, Asheville
Mountains
Measurers: Will Blozan, James Parton, Robert Van Pelt, Brian Beduhn, Michael Davie, 2004, 2008, 2012-2020
R20 = 132.66' 40.43m
R10 = 140.08' 42.69m
R5 = 147.16' 44.85m

1. white pine P. strobus 161.3' 49.16m Swan
2. sycamore P. occidentalis 150.0' 45.72m Swan
3. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 144.2' 43.95m Swan
4. tuliptree L. tulipifera 143.4' 43.70m FB
5. Dunkeld larch L. x spp. 136.9' 41.72m Swan
6. baldcypress T. disrichum 135.0' 41.14m FB
7. Norway spruce P. abies 133.6' 40.72m FB
8. dawn redwood M. glyptostroboides 133.4' 40.66m FB
9. scarlet oak Q. coccinea 132.2' 40.29m FB
10. N red oak Q. rubra 130.8' 39.86m FB


Swannannoa composite
RHI 10 = 146.19' 44.55m
RHI 5 = 156.38' 47.66m

1. red hickory C. ovalis 163.4' 49.80m
2. tuliptree L. tulipifera 163.0' 49.68m
3. white pine P. strobus 161.3' 49.16m
4. sycamore P. occidentalis 150.0' 45.72m
5. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 144.2' 43.95m
6. pignut hickory C. glabra 139.4' 42.49m
7. white oak Q. alba 138.3' 42.15m
8. chestnut oak Q. montana 135.4' 41.27m
9. N red oak Q. rubra 133.4' 40.66m
10. black oak Q. velutina 131.4' 40.05m


Ivy Creek (contains all of Big Ivy)
Mountains
Measurers: Brian Beduhn, Josh Kelly, Jess Riddle, Bob Leverett, Will Blozan
R20 = 137.59’ 41.93m
R10 = 145.97’ 44.49m
R5 = 154.60’ 47.12m

1. white pine P. strobus 166.4' 50.71m
2. tuliptree L. tulipifera 163.4’ 49.80m
3. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 149.6’ 45.59m
4. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 147.4’ 44.92m
5. N red oak Q. rubra 146.2’ 44.56m
6. pignut hickory C. glabra 141.5' 43.12m
7. cucumbertree M. acuminata 138.0' 42.06m
8. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 137.0' 41.75m
9. white basswood T. heterophylla 135.2' 41.20m
10. sugar maple A. saccharum 135.0' 41.14m

11. scarlet oak Q. coccinea 133.6' 40.72m
11. white ash F. americana 133.6' 40.72m
13. black cherry P. serotina 132.9' 40.50m
14. black locust R. pseudoacacia 132.7' 40.44m
15. sycamore P. occidentalis 130.4' 39.74m
16. red maple A. rubrum 129.2' 39.38m
17. chestnut oak Q. montana 129.0' 39.31m
18. red hickory C. ovalis 127.5' 38.86m
19. white oak Q. alba 122.8' 37.42m
20. black oak Q. velutina 120.4' 36.69m


Big Laurel Creek (contains The Bald Mountains of NC)
Measurers: Josh Kelly, Jess Riddle, Michael Davie, Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 146.71' 44.71m
RHI 5 153.98' 46.93m

1. tuliptree L. rulipifera 164.1' 50.01m
2. white pine P. strobus 158.8' 48.40m
3. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 153.0' 46.63m
4. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 150.7' 45.93m
5. N red oak Q. rubra 143.3' 43.67m
6. yellow buckeye A. flava 142.9' 43.55m
7. pignut hickory C. glabra 140.9' 42.94m
8. white basswood T. heterophylla 138.0' 42.06m
9. black cherry P. serotina 137.9' 42.03m
10. sycamore P. occidentalis 137.5' 41.91m


Spring Creek (contains Rocky Bluff)
Measurer: Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 128.42' 39.14m
RHI 5 = 138.66' 42.26m

1. Liriodendron tulipifera tuliptree 148.4' 45.23m
2. Pinus strobus white pine 146.2' 44.56m
3. Quercus rubra red oak 139.0' 42.36m
4. Quercus alba white oak 135.4' 41.27m
5. Robinia pseudoacacia black locust 124.3' 37.88m
6. Fraxinus biltmoreana Biltmore ash 123.7' 37.70m
7. Platanus occidentalis sycamore 123.1' 37.52m
8. Carya ovalis red hickory 119.4' 36.39m
9. Carya glabra pignut hickory 112.7' 34.35m
10. Tilia heterophylla white basswood 112.0' 34.13m



French Broad composite
RHI 5 = 162.34' 49.48m
RHI 10 = 155.77' 47.47m
RHI 20 = 148.13' 45.15m
RHI 30 = 143.42' 43.71m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 170.8' 52.06m King Creek
2. white pine P. strobus 167.5' 51.05m Davidson
3. red hickory C. ovalis 163.4' 49.80m Swannannoa
4. N red oak Q. rubra 157.0' 47.85m Davidson
5. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 153.0' 46.63m Big Laurel
6. pignut hickory C. glabra 152.1' 46.36m Davidson
7. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 150.7' 45.93m Big Laurel
8. mockernut hickory C. alba 150.3' 45.81m Davidson
9. sycamore P. occidentalis 150.0' 45.72m Swannannoa
10. yellow buckeye A. flava 142.9' 43.55m Big Laurel

11. black locust R. pseudoacacia 142.7' 43.49m Davidson
12. white basswood T. heterphylla 142.3' 43.37m Davidson
13. cucumbertree M. acuminata 142.0' 43.28m Davidson
14. pignut hickory C. glabra 141.5' 43.12m Ivy
15. red maple A. rubrum 140.8' 42.91m Davidson
16. chestnut oak Q. montana 140.3' 42.76m Davidson
17. white ash F. americana 139.7' 42.58m Davidson
18. white oak Q. alba 139.6' 42.55m Davidson
19. loblolly pine P. taeda 138.2' 42.12m Bent Creek
20. black cherry P. serotina 137.9' 42.03m Big Laurel

21. Am beech F. grandifolia 137.2' 41.81m Davidson
22. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 137.0' 41.75m Ivy
23. hybrid larch L. decidua spp. 136.9' 41.72m Biltmore
24. baldcypress T. distichum 135.0' 41.14m Biltmore
24. sugar maple A. saccharum 135.0' 41.14m Ivy
26. scarlet oak Q. coccinea 133.6' 40.72m Ivy
26. Norway spruce P. abies 133.6' 40.72m Biltmore
28. dawn redwood M. glyptostroboides 133.4' 40.66m
29. black oak Q. velutina 131.4' 40.05m Swannannoa
30. shortleaf pine P. echinata 127.0' 38.70m Reems Creek

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Re: Rucker Comparisons

Post by bbeduhn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:27 pm

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Catawba River composite
RHI 5 = 155.86' 47.50m
RHI 10 = 147.56 44.97m
RHI 20 = 137.71' 41.97m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 183.0' 55.77m Swannannoa Ck
2. white pine P. strobus 170.3' 51.90m Armstrong Ck
3. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 142.7' 43.49m Sugar Cove Ck
4. chestnut oak Q. montana 142.5' 43.43m Armstrong Creek
5. white oak Q. alba 140.8' 42.91m Armstrong Ck
6. red hickory C. ovalis 140.4' 42.79m Swannannoa Ck
7. N red oak Q. rubra 139.8' 42.61m Armstrong Ck
8. sycamore P. occidentalis 139.7' 42.58m Swannanoa Ck
9. black walnut J. nigra 138.9' 42.33m Mackey Ck
10. pignut hickory C. glabra 137.5' 41.91m Curtis Ck

11. mockernut hickory C. alba 137.3' 41.85m Curtis Ck
12. black oak Q. velutina 132.6' 40.41m Swannannoa Ck
13. red maple A. rubrum 132.2' 40.29m Swannannoa Ck
14. E hemlock Rs. canadensis 131.1' 39.96m Curtis Ck
15. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 125.9' 38.37m Sugar Cove Ck
16. white basswood T. heterophylla 125.6' 38.28m Sugar Cove Ck
17. black gum N. sylvatica 125.4' 38.22m Sugar Cove Ck
18. cucumbertree M. acuminata 124.0' 37.79m Sugar Cove Ck
19. black locust R. pseudoacacia 122.5' 37.33m Linville River
20. Am beech F. grandifolia 122.1' 37.21m Catawba Greenway


Green River (contains Cove Creek, has seen very little measurement)
Mountains
Measurers: Brian Beduhn, James Parton
RHI 10 = 132.55' 40.40m
RHI 5 = 139.12' 42.40m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 155.4' 47.36m Green
2. white pine P. strobus 139.1' 42.39m Cove Ck
3. black locust R. pseudoacacia 134.4' 40.96m Cove Ck
4. white oak Q. alba 134.0' 40.84m Cove Ck
5. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 132.7' 40.44m Cove Ck
6. N red oak Q. rubra 132.2' 40.29m Cove Ck
7. black oak Q. velutina 126.8' 38.64m Cove Ck
8. pignut hickory C. glabra 125.4' 38.22m Cove Ck
9. cucumbertree M. acuminata 123.9' 37.76m Cove Ck
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 121.6' 37.06m Cove Ck


Yadkin River (contains Tanglewood Park)
Piedmont
R10 = 139.63' 42.56m
R5 = 146.08' 44.52m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 160.4' 48.88m
2. N red oak Q. rubra 148.3' 45.20m
3. pignut hickory C. glabra 142.1' 43.31m
4. shumard oak Q. shumardii 140.7' 42.88m
5. scarlet oak Q. coccinea 138.9' 42.33m R
6. white ash F. americana 137.5' 41.91m
7. shagbark hickory C. ovata 135.7' 41.36m
8. white oak Q. alba 132.8' 40.47m
9. sweetgum L. styraciflua 131.4' 40.05m
10. sycamore P. occidentalis 128.5' 39.16m


Cape Fear River
Haw River
Greensboro, NC
Measurer: Brian Beduhn
RHI 10 = 137.07' 41.77m
RHI 5 = 144.56' 44.06m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 155.1' 47.27m Guilford Woods
2. pignut hickory C. glabra 145.2' 44.25m Guilford Woods
3. N red oak Q. rubra 143.3' 43.67m Guilford Courthouse
4. sweetgum L. styraciflua 142.4' 43.40m Guilford Woods
5. white oak Q. alba 136.8' 41.69m Guilford Woods
6. sycamore P. occidentalis 135.4' 41.27m Guilford Courthouse
7. loblolly pine P. taeda 130.5' 39.77m The Bluffs
8. S red oak Q. falcata 128.7' 39.22m Guilford Woods
9. S shagbark hickory C. ovata australis 126.7' 38.61m Hamilton Lakes
10. Am beech F. grandifolia 126.6' 38.58m Guilford Woods
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Re: Rucker Comparisons

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:27 am

Virginia, Maryland, DC


James River

Carter's Grove
Coastal Plain
Measurer: Colby Rucker
R5 = 135.44' 41.28m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 147.7' 45.01m
2. baldcypress T. distichum 144.7' 44.10m
3. sycamore P. occidentalis 140.1' 42.70m
4. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 125.2' 38.16m
5. black walnut J. nigra 119.5' 36.42m


James River
Rivanna River

Ragged Mountain Natural Area
Piedmont
Measurer: Elijah Whitcomb
RHI 10 = 142.34' 43.38m
RHI 5 = 150.76' 45.95m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 173.1' 52.76m
2. N red oak Q. rubra 156.0' 47.54m R3
3. white pine P. strobus 142.1' 43.31m
4. chestnut oak Q. montana 141.5' 43.13m
5. red hickory C. ovalis 141.1' 43.00m
6. white oak Q. alba 137.5' 41.91m
7. shortleaf pine P. echinata 137.3' 41.85m
8. pignut hickory C. glabra 132.3' 40.32m
9. black oak Q. velutina 132.0' 40.23m
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 130.5' 39.77m

James River composite
RHI 10 = 143.76' 43.81m
RHI 5 = 151.48' 46.17m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 173.1' 52.76m RM
2. N red oak Q. rubra 156.0' 47.54m RM R3
3. baldcypress T. distichum 144.7' 44.10m CG
4. white pine P. strobus 142.1' 43.31m RM
5. chestnut oak Q. montana 141.5' 43.13m RM
6. red hickory C. ovalis 141.1' 43.00m RM
7. white oak Q. alba 137.5' 41.91m RM
8. shortleaf pine P. echinata 137.3' 41.85m RM
9. pignut hickory C. glabra 132.3' 40.32m
10. black oak Q. velutina 132.0' 40.23m


Rapidan River
Rappahannock River

Montpelier Estate of James Madison
Piedmont
R10 = 137.88' 42.02m
R5 = 147.34' 44.91m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 172.7' 52.63m
2. N red oak Q. rubra 152.3' 46.42m
3. red hickory C. ovalis 143.0' 43.58m
4. white oak Q. alba 136.3 41.54m
5. Chestnut oak Q. montana 132.4' 40.35m
6. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 129.8' 39.56m
7. black oak Q. velutina 129.5' 39.47m
8. black walnut J. nigra 129.2' 39.38m
9. sycamore P. occidentalis 128.4' 39.13m
10. Am beech F. grandifolia 125.2' 38.16m


Potomac River

Turkey Run, VA
Piedmont
Measurers: Darian Copiz, Will Blozan
RHI 10 = 144.04' 43.90m
RHI 5 = 150.74' 45.94m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 165.2' 50.35m
2. red hickory C. ovalis 152.1' 46.36m
3. sycamore P. occidentalis 150.0' 45.72m
4. N red oak Q. rubra 143.8' 43.83m
5. green ash F. pennsylvanica 142.6' 43.46m
6. white oak Q. alba 140.6' 42.85m
7. pignut hickory C. glabra 138.7' 42.27m
8. black walnut J. nigra 136.3' 41.54m
9. scarlet oak Q. coccinea 135.8' 41.39m
10. mockernut hickory Q. alba 135.3' 41.24m


Killiansburg Woods, MD
Piedmont
Measurer: Darian Copiz
RHI 10 = 127.59' 38.89m
RHI 5 = 139.80' 42.61m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 164.8' 50.23m
2. sycamore P. occidentalis 146.2' 44.56m
3. black oak Q. velutina 130.8' 39.86m
3. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 130.8' 39.86m
5. green ash F. pennsylvanica 126.4' 38.52m
6. N red oak Q. rubra 124.3' 37.88m
7. black oak Q. velutina 120.1' 36.60m
8. E cottonwood P. deltoides 118.2' 36.02m
9. sugarberry C. laevagata 109.3' 33.31m
10. sugar maple A. saccharum 105.0' 32.00m


Rock Creek (Glover/Archbold) DC
Piedmont
Measurers: Gaines McMartin, Darian Copiz, Will Blozan
RHI 10 = 135.81' 41.39m
RHI 5 = 143.74' 43.81m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 162.5' 49.53m
2. sycamore P. occidentalis 145.6' 44.37m
3. black oak Q. velutina 139.0' 42.36m
4. N red oak Q. rubra 137.3' 41.85m
5. chestnut oak Q. montana 134.3' 40.93m
6. green ash F. pennsylvanica 133.2' 40.60m
7. pignut hickory C. glabra 129.7' 39.53m
8. white ash F. americana 126.3' 38.49m
9. white oak Q. alba 125.9' 38.37m
10. black walnut J. nigra 124.3' 37.88m


Caledon St Pk VA
Coastal Plain
Measurer: Darian Copiz
RHI 10 = 139.44' 42.50m
RHI 5 = 147.88' 45.07m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 165.8' 50.53m
2. cherrybark oak Q. pagoda 147.1' 44.83m
3. black oak Q. velutina 142.8' 43.52m
4. pignut hickory C. glabra 142.3' 43.37m
5. mockernut hickory C. alba 141.4' 43.09m
6. white oak Q. alba 134.0' 40.84m
7. sweetgum L. styraciflua 132.0' 40.23m
8. willow oak Q. phellos 130.7' 39.83m
9. loblolly pine P. taeda 129.2' 39.38m
10. Am beech F. grandifolia 129.1' 39.35m


Potomac River composite
RHI 10 = 146.85' 44.75m
RHI 5 = 151.76' 46.25m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 165.8' 50.53m Caledon
2. red hickory C. ovalis 152.1' 46.36m Turkey Run
3. sycamore P. occidentalis 150.0' 45.72m Turkey Run
4. cherrybark oak Q. pagoda 147.1' 44.83m Caledon
5. N red oak Q. rubra 143.8' 43.83m Turkey Run
6. black oak Q. velutina 142.8' 43.52m Caledon
7. green ash F. pennsylvanica 142.6' 43.46m Turkey Run
8. pignut hickory C. glabra 142.3' 43.37m Caledon
9. mockernut hickory C. alba 141.4' 43.09m Caledon
10. white oak Q. alba 140.6' 42.85m Turkey Run


Elk River, MD (conatins Fair Hill)
Piedmont
Measurer: Geoege Feio
R10 = 143.45' 43.72m
R5 = 148.98' 45.41m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 162.3' 49.47m
2. sycamore P. occidentalis 146.7' 44.71m
3. pignut hickory C. glabra 145.8' 44.44m
4. N red oak Q. rubra 145.4' 44.31m
5. white oak Q. alba 144.7' 44.10m
6. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 141.3' 43.06m
7. white ash F. americana 141.0' 42.97m
8. black oak Q. velutina 140.2' 42.73m
9. mockernut hickory C. alba 133.6' 40.72m
10. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 133.5' 40.69m
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Patuxent River, MD (contains Belt Woods)
Coastal Plain
Measurer: Colby Rucker, Will Blozan, Darian Copiz, Gaines McMartin
R10 = 135.81' 41.39m
R5 = 148.22' 45.17m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 164.1' 50.01m
2. white oak Q. alba 145.8' 44.44m
3. N red oak Q. rubra 144.9' 44.16m
4. black oak Q. velutina 143.4' 43.70m
5. sand hickory C. pallida 142.9' 43.55m
6. mockernut hickory C. alba 133.0' 40.53m
7. sycamore P. occidentalis 126.7' 38.61m
8. black gum N. sylvatica 124.7' 38.00m
9. sweetgum L. styraciflua 121.2' 36.94m
10. black walnut J. nigra 111.4' 33.95m


Severn River, MD (contains Chase Creek)
Coastal Plain
Measurer: Colby Rucker
RHI 10 = 130.19' 39.68m
RHI 5 = 138.98' 42.36m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 157.6' 48.03m
2. N red oak Q. rubra 137.4' 41.88m
3. black oak Q. velutina 135.6' 41.33m
4. sycamore P. occidentalis 132.3' 40.32m
5. white ash F. americana 132.0' 40.23m
6. chestnut oak Q. montana 124.8' 38.04m
7. pignut hickory C. glabra 124.1' 37.82m
8. white oak Q. alba 121.4' 37.00m
9. Am beech F. grandifolia 119.5' 36.42m
10. mockernut hickory C. alba 117.2' 35.72m

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Re: Rucker Comparisons

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:07 pm

West Virginia


Kanawha (New, Elk, Gauley)

New River

New River Gorge
Measurer: Turner Sharp
RHI 10 = 116.43' 35.48m
RHI 5 = 125.04' 38.11m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 135.5' 41.30m
2. sycamore P. occidentalis 133.5' 40.69m
3. N red oak Q. rubra 123.1' 37.52m
4. black walnut J. nigra 116.8' 35.60m
5. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 116.3' 35.44m
6. black cherry P. serotina 110.0' 33.52m
7. Am basswood T. americana 109.7' 33.43m
8. Am beech F. grandifolia 107.0' 32.61m
9. white ash F. americana 106.9' 32.58m
10. chestnut oak Q. montana 105.5' 32.15m

Rothkugel Plantation
Measurer: Turner Sharp
Norway spruce P. abies 143.1' 43.61m


Elk River

Holly River St Pk
Measurers: Will Blozan, Jess Riddle, Turner Sharp
R10 = 141.42' 43.10m
R5 = 149.70' 45.62m

1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 155.6' 47.42m
2. white pine P. strobus 155.2' 47.30m
3. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 149.3' 45.50m
4. white basswood T. heterophylla 147.6' 44.98m
5. black cherry P. serotina 140.8' 42.91m
6. white ash F. americana 137.8' 42.00m
7. N red oak Q. rubra 136.2' 41.51m
8. red maple A. rubrum 133.6' 40.72m
9. shagbark hickory C. ovata 129.1' 39.35m
10. sugar maple A. saccharum 129.0' 39.32m

Elk River
Measurer: Turner Sharp
1. yellow buckeye B. allegheniensis 177.6' 54.13m R

Widen Poplar
Measurer: Turner Sharp
1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 173.2’ 52.51m

Elk River composite
RHI 10 = 148.04' 45.12m
RHI 5 = 160.58' 48.94m

1. yellow buckeye A. flava 177.6' 54.13m R
2. tuliptree L. tulipifera 173.2' 52.51m
3. white pine P. strobus 155.2' 47.30m
4. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 149.3' 45.50m
5. white basswood T. heterophylla 147.6' 44.98m
6. black cherry P. serotina 140.8' 42.91m
7. white ash F. americana 137.8' 42.00m
8. N red oak Q. rubra 136.2' 41.51m
9. red maple A. rubrum 133.6' 40.72m
10. shagbark hickory C. ovata 129.1' 39.35m


Gauley River
Measurer: Turner Sharp
RHI 5 = 117.98' 35.96m
RHI 10 = 110.42' 33.65m

1. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 122.4' 37.30m
2. white ash F. americana 121.3' 36.97m
3. sycamore P. occidentalis 119.8' 36.51m
4. Am basswood T. americana 113.8' 34.68m
5. tuliptree L. tulipifera 112.6' 34.32m
6. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 111.8' 34.07m
7. N red oak Q. rubra 106.4' 32.43m
8. Am beech F. grandifolia 102.1' 31.12m
9. red maple A. rubrum 100.8' 30.72m
10. white oak Q. alba 93.2' 28.40m

Kanawha composite (New, Elk, Gauley)
RHI 10 = 149.53' 45.57m
RHI 5 = 160.58' 48.94m

1. yellow buckeye A. flava 177.6' 54.13m R
2. tuliptree L. tulipifera 173.2' 52.51m
3. white pine P. strobus 155.2' 47.30m
4. bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 149.3' 45.50m
5. white basswood T. heterophylla 147.6' 44.98m
6. Norway spruce P. abies 143.1' 43.61m
7. black cherry P. serotina 140.8' 42.91m
8. white ash F. americana 137.8' 42.00m
9. N red oak Q. rubra 136.2' 41.51m
10. pignut hickory C. glabra 134.5' 40.99m


Monongahela River

Cheat River

Cheat Lake (2018, 2019)
Measurer: S. Halow
RHI 10 = 135.80 41.39m
RHI 5 = 141.60 43.16m

1. Tulip Poplar L. tulipifera 158.5 48.31m
2. Am Sycamore P. occidentalis 143.0 43.58m
3. Am Basswood T. american 136.5 41.60m
4. Black Cherry P. serotina 135.5 41.30m
5. Green Ash (dead EAB) F. pennsylvanica 134.5' 40.99m
6. Northern Red Oak Q. rubra 134.0' 40.84m
7. Bitternut Hickory C. cordiformis 132.0' 40.23m
8. Pin Oak Q. palustris 130.0' 39.62m
9. Black Oak Q. velutina 127.0' 38.71m
9. White Oak Q. alba 127.0' 38.71m

Lewis County
pignut hickory C. glabra 138.0' 42.06m

Cooper's Rock State Forest
Measurer: S. Halow
E. hemlock Ts. canadensis 143.0' 43.58m

Monongahela in WV composite

RHI 10 = 138.50' 42.21m
RHI 5 = 143.80' 43.83m

1. Tulip Poplar L. tulipifera 158.5 48.31m
2. Am Sycamore P. occidentalis 143.0 43.58m
2. E hemlock Ts. canadensis 143.0' 43.58m
4. pignut hickory C. glabra 138.0' 42.06m
5. Am Basswood T. american 136.5 41.60m
6. Black Cherry P. serotina 135.5 41.30m
7. Green Ash (dead EAB) F. pennsylvanica 134.5' 40.99m
8. Northern Red Oak Q. rubra 134.0' 40.84m
9. Bitternut Hickory C. cordiformis 132.0' 40.23m
10. Pin Oak Q. palustris 130.0' 39.62m


Guyandotte River

Saulsville yellow poplar
Measurer: Turner Sharp
1. tuliptree L. tulipifera 173.0’ 52.73m

Little Kanawha
Hughes River
sycamore P. occidentalis 145.6' 44.37m

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