Asia Rucker

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Asia Rucker

Post by bbeduhn » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:07 pm

Malaysia

yellow meranti is used to describe 32 species of Shorea trees. I'm using what was given to the trees by the measurers, except for one Shorea gibbosa, which was determined by an expert on tropical trees after the fact. -Kouta Rasanen

Peninsular Malaysia

Temerloh
Measuer: Kouta Rasanen
1. Toulang Koompassia excelsa 205.7' 62.7m
2. Dipterocarpus costatus 182.0' 55.5m

Taman Negara
Measurer: Kouta Rasanen
1. Toulong Koompassia excelsa 227.3' 69.3m
1a. Toulong Koompassia excelsa 218.1' 66.5m
1b. Toulong Koompassia excelsa 209.9' 64.0m
2. yellow meranti Shorea faguetiana 207.3' 63.2m
3. Trionma malaccensis 170.6' 52.0m
3. Koompassia malaccemsis 170.6' 52.0m
5. Jelutong Dyera costulota 164.7' 50.2m
6. Pterygota alata 147.6' 45.0m
7. Antiaris toxicaria 131.2' 40.0m

Peninsular Malaysia Rucker
RHI 3 = 205.53' 62.64m
RHI 5 = 191.55' 58.38m
RHI 8 = 175.15' 53.38m

1. Toulong Koompassia excelsa 227.3' 69.3m
2. yellow meranti Shorea faguetiana 207.3' 63.2m
3. Dipterocarpus costatus 182.0' 55.5m
4. Trionma malaccensis 170.6' 52.0m
5. Koompassia malaccemsis 170.6' 52.0m
6. Jelutong Dyera costulota 164.7' 50.2m
7. Pterygota alata 147.6' 45.0m
8. Antiaris toxicaria 131.2' 40.0m


Malaysia on Borneo

Danum Valley Conservation Area
RHI 3 = 297.33' 90.62m
RHI 5 = 289.41' 88.21m
RHI 8 = 282.31' 86.05m

1. yellow meranti Shorea faguetiana "Menara" 320.2' 97.6m Unding Jami
1a. yellow meranti Shorea faguetiana 305.1' 93.0m Greg Asner & team
1b. yellow meranti Shorea faguetiana 293.6' 89.5m David Coomes
2. yellow meranti Shorea gibbosa 289.7' 88.3m Brett Misfud, Roman Dial, Tom Greenwood
3. Toulang Koompassia excelsa 282.1' 86.0m Brett Misfud, Roman Dial, Tom Greenwood
4. Shorea argentifolia 278.2' 84.8m Roman Dial
5. Shorea superba 276.9' 84.4m Roman Dial
6. Hopea nutans 271.6' 82.8m Roman Dial
7. Shorea johorensis 270.3' 82.4m Roman Dial
8. Shorea smithiana 269.6' 82.2m Roman Dial


Malaysia Rucker (more numbers exist. I'm trying to vet them to see if they are reliable)
RHI 3 = 293.50' 89.46m
RHI 5 = 285.80' 87.11m
RHI 8 = 268.86' 81.95m
RHI 10 = 249.21' 75.96m

1. yellow meranti Shorea faguetiana "Menara" 320.2' 97.6m Unding Jami
2. Toulang Koompassia excelsa 282.1' 86.0m Brett Misfud, Roman Dial, Tom Greenwood
3. Shorea argentifolia 278.2' 84.8m Roman Dial
4. Shorea superba 276.9' 84.4m Roman Dial
5. Hopea nutans 271.6' 82.8m Roman Dial
6. Shorea johorensis 270.3' 82.4m Roman Dial
7. Shorea smithiana 269.6' 82.2m Roman Dia
8. Dipterocarpus costatus 182.0' 55.5m Kouta Rasanen
9. Trionma malaccensis 170.6' 52.0m Kouta Rasanen
10. Koompassia malaccemsis 170.6' 52.0m Kouta Rasanen

11. Jelutong Dyera costulota 164.7' 50.2m Kouta Rasanen
12. Pterygota alata 147.6' 45.0m Kouta Rasanen
13. Antiaris toxicaria 131.2' 40.0m Kouta Rasanen
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Re: Asia Rucker

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:07 am

Taiwan

Yushan National Park
Measurer: Giant Trees Foundation
1. Formosa cypress Camaecyparis formosensis 147.9' 45.1m
1a. Formosa cypress Camaecyparis formosensis 142.7' 43.5m


Shenmu Village
Measurers: group of botanists with tape drop
1. Camphor Tree Cinnamomum camphora 152.2' 46.4m


Taoshan Shenmu
Measurer:
1. Taiwania cryptomerioides 259.5' 79.1m

Measurer: The Tree Project
1. Taiwania cryptomerioides 226.3' 69.0m

Thailand
measurers: Nardo Kaandorp, Marc Meyer
RHI 3 = 175.26' 53.42m
RHI 5 = 136.89' 41.72m

1. Tetrameles nudiflora "Big Tree" 210.6' 64.2m Meyer
2. Ficus albipila "The ig Tree" 161.7' 49.3m Kaandorp
3. Dipterocarpus alatus 153.5' 46.8m Kaandorp
4. Bodhi tree Ficus religiosa 91.2' 27.8m Kaandorp
5. rain tree Albizia saman 67.5' 20.6m Meyer


Bhutan
Measurer: Nardo Kaandorp
1. Bhutan cypress cupressus cashmeriana 196.8' 60.0m (this tree has been reported at 96m)
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Re: Asia Rucker

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:12 pm

Russia

Samurskaya
Measurer: Edward Gerlahk
1. white poplar P. alba 133.5' 40.7m
2. black poplar P. nigra 132.5' 40.4m


Kovkazskiy Zapovednik Adygea
Measurers: Kouta rasanen, Thomas Michler, Bibin, Frolova
1. Nordmann fir A. nordmanniana 198.5' 60.5m
1a. Nordmann fir A. nordmanniana 193.2' 58.9m

Kreber Buynyy pamyatnik Adygea
Measurers: Kouta Rasanen, Edward Gerlakh, Artoyom Lobbchuk, Thomas Michler
1. Nordmann fir A. nordmanniana 195.2' 59.5m
1a. Nordmann fir A. nordmanniana 186.0' 56.7m
2. Oriental beech F. orientalis 152.5' 46.5m
3. Norway maple A. platanoides 124.3' 37.9m

Russia Rucker
RHI 5 = 148.26' 45.18m

1. Nordmann fir A. nordmanniana 198.5' 60.5m
2. Oriental beech F. orientalis 152.5' 46.5m
3. white poplar P. alba 133.5' 40.7m
4. black poplar P. nigra 132.5' 40.4m
5. Norway maple A. platanoides 124.3' 37.9m


Georgia

Lagodekhi Protected Area, Likani
Measurer: Kouta Rasanen
RHI 5 = 132.50' 40.38m

1. common ash F. excelsior 143.0' 43.6m
2. Caucasian lime T. dasystyla 131.2' 40.0m
3. black poplar P. nigra 130.2' 39.7m
3. velvet maple A. velutinum 130.2' 39.7m
5. black alder A. glutinosa 127.9' 39.0m
6. sweet chestnut C. sativa 111.5' 34.0m
7. common hornbeam C. betulus 107.6' 32.8m
8. Persian walnut J. regia 95.8' 29.2m
9. Cappadocian maple A. cappidocicum 88.5' 27.0m

Borjami Strict Nature Preserve
Measurer: Kouta Rasanen
1. Nordmann fir A. nordmanniana 164.6' 50.2m

National Botanical Garden of Georgia
Measurer: Kouta Rasanen
1. Turkish pine P. brutia 97.1' 29.6m

Georgia Rucker
RHI 5 = 139.84' 42.62m
RHI 10 = 123.91' 37.76m

1. Nordmann fir A. nordmanniana 164.6' 50.2m
2. common ash F. excelsior 143.0' 43.6m
3. Caucasian lime T. dasystyla 131.2' 40.0m
4. black poplar P. nigra 130.2' 39.7m
5. velvet maple A. velutinum 130.2' 39.7m
6. black alder A. glutinosa 127.9' 39.0m
7. sweet chestnut C. sativa 111.5' 34.0m
8. common hornbeam C. betulus 107.6' 32.8m
9. Turkish pine P. brutia 97.1' 29.6m
10. Persian walnut J. regia 95.8' 29.2m

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Re: Asia Rucker

Post by KoutaR » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:23 am

Brian,

I just found this. I see you like numbers. ;)

In Taiwan, a 79.1-meter Taiwania cryptomerioides has been found recently. Likely tape drop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfk5IHuMgDg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3O6eL1-eEDo8N9EptduQjJF2JmcVuBpBlSscAN468lGS4GVSRYAFs3sNo
Place: Taoshan Shenmu.

Two another tall Taiwania trees, 72.9 m and 69 m:
https://www.thetreeprojects.com/taiwan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMSm-TgsMz0

Fotos of great trees in Taiwan (Taiwania, Picea morrisonicola, Quercus morii):
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10155754711770213&set=pcb.2227294827587752

A note on my measurements in Peninsular Malaysia: Due to the limited time and the difficulty to identify species, my measurements are EXTREMELY incomplete. There are certainly numerous dipterocarp species about or over 60 m tall.

A part of the measurements, you have accepted, are not with reliable methods, like those exactly 250' tall trees.

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Re: Asia Rucker

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:26 am

Thanks, Kouta!

So you don't think anything from Bomeninfo is reliable? I was holding off on that person for a while but decided to post the numbers. I will go along with your judgment if you say it's not reliable.

Yes, I certainly like numbers. I had planned on just doing part of the US, but then everything kept rolling. Europe is crazy difficult. There is so much data, and much of it is unreliable. It will take some time to get through all of it.

I didn't know there were Picea on Taiwan.

Brian

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Re: Asia Rucker

Post by KoutaR » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:11 pm

Brian,

Bomeninfo (=tree info) is Jeroen Philippona's site. A few years ago, Jeroen was active on ents-bbs too. He has taken on his list also a few species without reliable measurement. He certainly knows those are not reliable heights but wanted to mention species that might make the list. I went through his list. Luckily he mentions his sources. Al Carder's heights are not reliable, mostly only estimations, like exactly 250'. Carder is no measurer himself. He has done extensive literature research and written a book, "Giant Trees of Western America and the World". Unfortunately he has accepted all the fanciful historical "measurements", like over 100 m tall giant sequoias. Nr. 37 Nordmann fir is also not reliable, though 68.6 m I have never heard where this is from. Nr. 19 Izak van der Merwe, I don't know. Jeroen has not updated his list since years.

About Europe you are wrong: Europe is today the easiest continent of all! You find all the reliable records measured with laser or tape here:
https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/heightrecords/europe/
For some parts of Europe we have still very little data, particularly for Russia.

Kouta

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Re: Asia Rucker

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:16 am

Kouta,

Europe was considered difficult because I had to go through so many entries. I just found shortcuts and am sticking to the the tallest trees list on Monumental Trees. That makes it so much easier and uses so much less time.

I have one of Al Carder's books. He is a good writer but he does accept too many unproven figures. I will do a possible tall tree list with many of his numbers but it will be well documented that they are not necessarily accurate.

Wow, you have an a huge number of measurements for Europe, and I see you have brought in many other tree measurers as well.

Brian

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Post by KoutaR » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:26 pm

Brian,

Yes, the European community has grown steadily, though many "older" members have become less active recently. NTS was definitely one of our models.

The tallest trees in Europe are exotics. If you are interested, here I extract a "native European rucker":

1. Picea abies 62.7
2. Abies nordmanniana 60.5
3. Abies alba 59.7
4. Pinus canariensis 56.7
5. Larix decidua 53.8
6. Fagus sylvatica 51
7. Fraxinus excelsior 50.6
8. Quercus petraea 48.4
9. Pinus nigra 47.4
10. Pinus sylvestris 46.6

Abies nordmanniana is likely the tallest native tree species of Europe but so few trees have still been measured. I estimate it reaches 63-65 m. Other species that would likely make the list are Picea orientalis (perhaps about 55 m), Larix sibirica (about 50 m in Russia but outside its native range) and Fagus orientalis (perhaps about the same as F. sylvatica). The Canary Islands (Pinus canariensis) are only politically in Europe. Larix decidua reaches record heights in lowlands outside its high altitude native range.

Of the exotics, the tallest Douglas-firs have likely grown a bit since last measurements.

Kouta

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Re: Asia Rucker

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:12 am

Thanks, Kouta.

I just finished my research on Europe. I still have to sort everything out. I'll let you know if I have any discrepancies. It will be interesting to compare the native European trees with the native Eastern US trees. Beech gets taller in Europe, along with spruce and fir. Oaks seem to be fairly comparable. The US has the pine advantage. Hickories and magnolias aren't native to Europe, as far as I know. There will be many comparisons in the near future.

Brian

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Re: Asia Rucker

Post by KoutaR » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:07 pm

I made such a generic comparison here:
http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=144&t=6106

Now the record heights are partly out-dated.

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