County Rucker Index

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:18 am

Doug,
I don't see a single white pine on any of those lists. That seems a bit odd.

Bob,
I'm spoiled with tall trees. A handicap is certainly logical. Latitude makes a difference but some sites in PA and WV are fairly competitive with the Southern Appalachians. Your handicap of 20 makes sense.

Brian

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:17 am

I've got a couple more counties from upstate South Carolina. Pickens County has been very well covered but some of the finest sites need remeasurement. I will get to a couple of sites this winter to do this. Greenville County has had fair coverage but there is much forested land yet to measure.

Pickens County, SC R10 = 153.30' R20 = 142.60'

1. Tuliptree 177.0'
2. White pine 161.9'
3. Black locust 153.4'
3. Biltmore ash 153.4'
5. Pignut or red hick 152.6'
6. Cucumbertree 149.0'
7. Hemlock 148.9'
8. Red oak 148.6'
9. Sweetgum 146.7'
10. Bitternut hick 141.5'

11. Mockernit hick 139.6'
12. Chestnut oak 133.6'
12. Shortleaf pine 133.6'
14. Red maple 133.3'
15. White basswood 132.3'
16. White oak 132.4'
17. Sycamore 132.0'
18. Scarlet oak 130.7'
19. Virginia pine 127.0'
20. Pitch pine 124.5'


Greenville County, SC R10 = 135.59'

1. Tuliptree 150.1'
2. Pignut hickory 144.4'
3. Bitternut hick 137.3'
4. Red oak 136.2'
5. Chestnut oak 134.5'
5. Mockernut oak 134.5'
7. White pine 131.0'
8. White oak 130.8'
9. Hemlock 130.6'
10. Biltmore ash 126.5'

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:38 am

All of these trees are at Croft State Park. They could use a remeasurement as this is a mini Congaree, minus the old growth.

Spartanburg County R10 = 129.64'

1. Tuliptree 146.4'
2. White oak 139.0'
3. Sycamore 135.8'
4. Sweetgum 134.7'
5. Red oak 129.5'
6. Shagbark oak 125.0'
7. Cottonwood 124.5'
8. S. red oak 121.8'
9. Mockernut hick 120.2'
10. Scarlet oak 119.5'

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by DougBidlack » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:22 pm

Brian,

it is not odd at all if you know Michigan. White pine is not native to Warren Woods in Berrien county and in Oakland county it is not native in Kensington Metropark while in Highland State Recreation Area it is only native within and around some of the wetlands and then mainly as stunted and pathetic-looking trees (there may be a few tall enough to break into the list though). White pine may not be native in Wane county at all but it has been widely planted there and it has 'escaped' into the wild.

I also did not include any non-native trees in my lists such as Norway Spruce or European Larch, for example, even though they would likely be in the top 10 for all three counties.

Doug

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:39 pm

I have some updates for a few counties in North Carolina.

updated 8/25/20

Buncombe Co, NC RHI 10 = 149.37' 45.52m

1. White pine P. strobus 166.4' 50.71m Big Ivy
2. Red hickory C. ovalis 163.4' 49.80m Swannannoa
3. Tuliptree L. tulipifera 163.0' 49.68m Bull Creek
4. Sycamore P. occidentalis 150.0' 45.72m Biltmore Village
5. Bilrmore ash F. biltmoreana 149.6' 45.59m Big Ivy
6. E Hemlock Ts. canadensis 147.4' 44.92m Big Ivy
7. Pignut hickory C. glabra 141.1' 43.00m Big Ivy
8. White oak Q. alba 138.3' 42.15m MTS Trail
9. Red oak Q. rubra 137.5' 41.91m
10. Bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 137.0' 41.75m


McDowell County, NC RHI 10 = 147.56' 44.97m

1. Tuliptree L. tulipifera 183.0' 55.77m Point Lookout Trail
2. White pine P. strobus 170.3' 51.90m Armstrong Creek
3. Bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 142.7' 43.49m Sugar Cove
4. Chestnut oak Q. montana 142.5' 43.43m Bee Rock Creek
5. White oak Q. alba 140.8' 42.91m Woods Mtn
6. Red hickory C. ovalis 140.4' 42.79m Kitsuma
7. N Red oak Q. rubra 139.8' 42.61m'
8. Sycamore P. occidentalis 139.7' 42.58m Point Lookout Trail
9. Black Walnut J. nigra 138.9' 42.33m Lead Mine Gap
10. Pignut hickory C. glabra 137.5' 41.91m Hickory Branch


Transylvania Co, NC RHI 10 = 151.91' 46.30m

1. Tuliptree L. tulipifera 177.6' 54.13m Foothills Trail/ Musterground Rd
2. White pine P. strobus 167.5' 51.05m East Horse Cove, Davidson River
3. N red oak Q. rubra 157.0' 47.85m East Horse Cove, Davidson River
4. Pignut hickory C. glabra 152.1' 46.36m Horse Cove, Davidson River
5. Mockernut hickory C. alba 150.3' 45.81m Horse Cove, Davidson River.
6. Red hickory C. ovalis 146.8' 44.74m East Horse Cove, Davidson River
7. Black locust R. pseudoacacia 142.7' 43.49m Looking Glass Rock, Davidson River
8. White basswood T. heterophylla 142.3' 43.47m Davidson River
9. Cucumbertree M. acuminata 142.0' 43.28m Horse Cove, Davidson River
10. Red maple A. rubrum 140.8' 42.91m Looking Glass Rock, Davidson River


Haywood Co, NC RHI 10 = 168.81' 54.45m
RHI 20 = 157.34' 47.95m

1. White pine P. strobus 207.0' 63.09m Cataloochee, GSMNP R
2. Tuliptree L. rulipifera 186.1' 56.72m Big Creek, GSMNP
3. E Hemlock Ts. canadensis 173.0' 52.73m Cataloochee, GSMNP R
4. White ash F. americana 167.1' 50.93m Big Creek, GSMNP R
5. Sycamore P. occidentalis 165.5' 50.44m Big Creek, GSMNP R
6. Red hickory C. ovalis 163.5' 49.83m Cataloochee, GSMNP
7. Black locust R. pseudoacacia 162.0' 49.37m Big Creek, GSMNP
8. Bitternut hickory C. cordiformis 156.3' 47.64m Big Creek, GSMNP
9. N Red oak Q. rubra 155.7' 47.45m Big Creek, GSMNP
10. Cucumbertree M. acuminata 151.9' 46.30m Big Creek, GSMNP R

11. Yellow buckeye B. allegheniensis 151.0' 46.02m Cataloochee, GSMNP
12. White basswood T. heterophylla 150.3' 45.81m Big Creek, GSMNP
13. Shagbark hickory C. ovalis 148.5' 45.26m Cataloochee, GSMNP
14. Sweetgum L. styraciflua 147.9' 45.08m Big Creek, GSMNP
15. White oak Q. alba 147.6' 44.98m Cataloochee, GSMNP R2
16. Sugar maple A. saccharum 144.2' 43.95m Big Creek, GSMNP
17. Chestnut oak Q. montana 143.1' 43.61m Big Creek, GSMNP
18. Red maple A. rubrum 142.4' 43.40m Big Creek, GSMNP R2
19. Red spruce P. rubens 142.1' 43.31m Cataloochee, GSMNP
20. Biltmore ash F. biltmoreana 141.7' 43.19m Big Creek, GSMNP
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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by mdavie » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:43 am

There is (or was, at least) a pignut off of Reed Rd in Buncombe, that was 164.3 feet tape-dropped in 2004

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by ElijahW » Sun May 10, 2020 6:15 pm

Brian, NTS,


The two counties that contain Letchworth State Park, Wyoming and Livingston, up to date:

Wyoming: 141.1’

Eastern White Pine 153.5
Pignut Hickory 153.4
Tuliptree 150.6
American Sycamore 143.3
White Ash 139.2
Norway Spruce 138.4
Eastern Hemlock 134.3
Bitternut Hickory 134.0
Shagbark Hickory 132.4
Eastern Cottonwood 132.3

Livingston: 137.7’

Pignut Hickory 145.7
Tuliptree 144.8
Eastern White Pine 144.1
Red Hickory 142.7
Shagbark Hickory 140.5
American Sycamore 138.4
Bitternut Hickory 134.2
Northern Red Oak 130.8
White Ash 128.6
American Basswood 127.4

Even though the tallest tree we know of in NY is in the northeastern part of the state, Western NY counties generally have more impressive forests.

Elijah

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Tue May 19, 2020 8:45 pm

Elijah,
Those are some seriously impressive numbers! Letchworth is about even with Zoar Valley. The number of 140’s and 150’s is almost unfathomable for that far north.

Bob,
A handicap system is logical with the exception of a handful of species, such as white pine, bitternut, and a couple of others which retain their height at northern latitudes.

Michael,
I thought that was determined to be a red hickory. I’ll update the height and try to measure it. I knew it was somewhere in that area but didn’t know what road it was near.

Brian

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