County Rucker Index

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:18 am

Doug,
I don't see a single white pine on any of those lists. That seems a bit odd.

Bob,
I'm spoiled with tall trees. A handicap is certainly logical. Latitude makes a difference but some sites in PA and WV are fairly competitive with the Southern Appalachians. Your handicap of 20 makes sense.

Brian

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:17 am

I've got a couple more counties from upstate South Carolina. Pickens County has been very well covered but some of the finest sites need remeasurement. I will get to a couple of sites this winter to do this. Greenville County has had fair coverage but there is much forested land yet to measure.

Pickens County, SC R10 = 153.30' R20 = 142.60'

1. Tuliptree 177.0'
2. White pine 161.9'
3. Black locust 153.4'
3. Biltmore ash 153.4'
5. Pignut or red hick 152.6'
6. Cucumbertree 149.0'
7. Hemlock 148.9'
8. Red oak 148.6'
9. Sweetgum 146.7'
10. Bitternut hick 141.5'

11. Mockernit hick 139.6'
12. Chestnut oak 133.6'
12. Shortleaf pine 133.6'
14. Red maple 133.3'
15. White basswood 132.3'
16. White oak 132.4'
17. Sycamore 132.0'
18. Scarlet oak 130.7'
19. Virginia pine 127.0'
20. Pitch pine 124.5'


Greenville County, SC R10 = 135.59'

1. Tuliptree 150.1'
2. Pignut hickory 144.4'
3. Bitternut hick 137.3'
4. Red oak 136.2'
5. Chestnut oak 134.5'
5. Mockernut oak 134.5'
7. White pine 131.0'
8. White oak 130.8'
9. Hemlock 130.6'
10. Biltmore ash 126.5'

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:38 am

All of these trees are at Croft State Park. They could use a remeasurement as this is a mini Congaree, minus the old growth.

Spartanburg County R10 = 129.64'

1. Tuliptree 146.4'
2. White oak 139.0'
3. Sycamore 135.8'
4. Sweetgum 134.7'
5. Red oak 129.5'
6. Shagbark oak 125.0'
7. Cottonwood 124.5'
8. S. red oak 121.8'
9. Mockernut hick 120.2'
10. Scarlet oak 119.5'

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by DougBidlack » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:22 pm

Brian,

it is not odd at all if you know Michigan. White pine is not native to Warren Woods in Berrien county and in Oakland county it is not native in Kensington Metropark while in Highland State Recreation Area it is only native within and around some of the wetlands and then mainly as stunted and pathetic-looking trees (there may be a few tall enough to break into the list though). White pine may not be native in Wane county at all but it has been widely planted there and it has 'escaped' into the wild.

I also did not include any non-native trees in my lists such as Norway Spruce or European Larch, for example, even though they would likely be in the top 10 for all three counties.

Doug

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:39 pm

I have some updates for a few counties in North Carolina.

Buncombe County R10 = 149.46'

1. white pine 166.4'
2. tuliptree 163.4'
3. red hickory 163.0'
4. sycamore 150.0'
5. hemlock 147.4'
6. biltmore ash 145.5'
7. red oak 141.5'
8. pignut hickory 141.1'
9. white oak 138.3'
10. cucumbertree 138.0'

Transylvania County R10 = 151.91'

1. tuliptree 177.6'
2. white pine 167.5'
3. red oak 157.0'
4. pignut hickory 152.1'
5. mockernut hick 150.3'
6. red hickory 146.8'
7. black locust 142.7'
8. white basswood 142.3'
9. cucumbertree 142.0'
10. red maple 140.8'

Haywood County R10 = 168.81'

1. white pine 207.0'
2. tuliptree 186.1'
3. hemlock 173.0'
4. white ash 167.1'
5. sycamore 165.5'
6. red hickory 163.5'
7. black locust 162.0'
8. bitternut hick 156.3'
9. red oak 155.7'
10. cucumbertree 151.9'

R20 = 157.0'

11. white basswood 150.3'
12. shagbark hick 148.5'
13. sweetgum 147.9'
14. white oak 147.6'
15. sugar maple 144.2'
16. yellow buckeye 143.9'
17. chestnut oak 143.6'
18. red maple 142.4'
19. red spruce 142.1'
20. biltmore ash 141.5'

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by mdavie » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:43 am

There is (or was, at least) a pignut off of Reed Rd in Buncombe, that was 164.3 feet tape-dropped in 2004

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by ElijahW » Sun May 10, 2020 6:15 pm

Brian, NTS,


The two counties that contain Letchworth State Park, Wyoming and Livingston, up to date:

Wyoming: 141.1’

Eastern White Pine 153.5
Pignut Hickory 153.4
Tuliptree 150.6
American Sycamore 143.3
White Ash 139.2
Norway Spruce 138.4
Eastern Hemlock 134.3
Bitternut Hickory 134.0
Shagbark Hickory 132.4
Eastern Cottonwood 132.3

Livingston: 137.7’

Pignut Hickory 145.7
Tuliptree 144.8
Eastern White Pine 144.1
Red Hickory 142.7
Shagbark Hickory 140.5
American Sycamore 138.4
Bitternut Hickory 134.2
Northern Red Oak 130.8
White Ash 128.6
American Basswood 127.4

Even though the tallest tree we know of in NY is in the northeastern part of the state, Western NY counties generally have more impressive forests.

Elijah

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Re: County Rucker Index

Post by bbeduhn » Tue May 19, 2020 8:45 pm

Elijah,
Those are some seriously impressive numbers! Letchworth is about even with Zoar Valley. The number of 140’s and 150’s is almost unfathomable for that far north.

Bob,
A handicap system is logical with the exception of a handful of species, such as white pine, bitternut, and a couple of others which retain their height at northern latitudes.

Michael,
I thought that was determined to be a red hickory. I’ll update the height and try to measure it. I knew it was somewhere in that area but didn’t know what road it was near.

Brian

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