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#11)  Re: Wikipedia

Postby Joe » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:18 pm

"We are living in times when people who know absolutely knowing about a topic can sound off at will over the Internet."

Yuh, like our current president? duh.... "nobody knew that health care could be so complicated".... duh, duh, duh....

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#12)  Re: Wikipedia

Postby Matt Markworth » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:33 pm

KoutaR wrote:I read the comment for the Wikipedia article "Tree height measurement". An extract:
In short, I have more confidence in numbers of log lengths and tree heights made by lumbermen who were experienced in the art of physically and directly measuring and cutting down trees than I have in the handful of hobbyists who measure the remnant few giant pine trees indirectly using lasers and range finders and often these hobbyists do not even release to the public where the trees are located, thus requiring a dose of faith in even these very modern measurements.

I am thinking it is not the best policy to keep the locations secret. You have to think from layman's perspective. "Handful of hobbyists say they have a better method than scientists and lumbermen. They say they found the tallest trees but don't reveal the locations, so preventing the verification of their finds." I think this is an image one very easily gets.

Tasmania has revealed the exact coordinates of every giant tree but I think they have had no problems with trampling etc. We reveal exact locations in Europe and I don't think there are any problems although Central Europe is so densely populated. Very few people are interested in the tallest trees by species. Instead, the laymen are interested in old trees with a story. The redwoods... okay, they should be left alone, but I don't think there are any danger in revealing the locations of the height records of the other species. Keeping the locations secret destroys a part of the credibility, in my opinion.

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Kouta,

I'm having difficulty finding the above-referenced quote in Wikipedia and wanted to see if you can tell if it's still there and if so if you have a link to the page.

Thanks,
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#13)  Re: Wikipedia

Postby mdvaden » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:03 pm

KoutaR wrote:A problem at Wikipedia is that the editors often know nothing about the subject they are editing. They are just reading published sources and cannot separate reliable sources from unreliable ones.


On the other hand, the non-problem is that many articles have lots of information that other sources and encyclopedias do not, when multiple editors team together.
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#14)  Re: Wikipedia

Postby mdvaden » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:11 pm

Joe wrote:"We are living in times when people who know absolutely knowing about a topic can sound off at will over the Internet."

Yuh, like our current president? duh.... "nobody knew that health care could be so complicated".... duh, duh, duh....

Joe


Yep, but on the other hand, Pres. Trump wasnt' putting together a Wikipedia article either. But it's almost a certain guarantee if he had complete control over managing a techical resource article without several hundred conflicting wills, it would likely be done rock solid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Considering, the man has built and managed about 100 times more than you, me and a months worth of users on this board combined. Honestly, he's so accomplished you'd be beating your head against the wall trying to make cracks about him in a thread dedicated to an ENTS wikipedia article.
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#15)  Re: Wikipedia

Postby edfrank » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:01 am

I wrote all of the tree measurement articles on Wikipedia.
"I love science and it pains me to think that so many are terrified of the subject or feel that choosing science means you cannot also choose compassion, or the arts, or be awe by nature. Science is not meant to cure us of mystery, but to reinvent and revigorate it." by Robert M. Sapolsky
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#16)  Re: Wikipedia

Postby Rand » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:17 am

mdvaden wrote:
....it would likely be done rock solid.



Well, at least.. the consensus would be...

Or something...
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#17)  Re: Wikipedia

Postby KoutaR » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:43 am

Matt Markworth wrote:Kouta,

I'm having difficulty finding the above-referenced quote in Wikipedia and wanted to see if you can tell if it's still there and if so if you have a link to the page.

Thanks,
Matt


Matt,

Just click "Talk", top left. Link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tree ... easurement
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