eNTS Magazine July 2013

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#1)  eNTS Magazine July 2013

Postby edfrank » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:44 pm

eNTS: The Magazine of the Native Tree Society,
Volume 3, Number 06, June 2013

               
                       
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Editor’s Corner
By Edward Frank

Webmaster , BBS Administrator,
eNTS Magazine Editor-in-Chief
edfrank@nativetreesociety.org

NTS, Friends,
Welcome to the July issue of eNTS:  The magazine of Native Tree Society.  I have not been as active in the BBS message boards this past month or few months as I have been in the past.  I also am not getting out much into the field. This is simply because of some personal issues here at home.  My interest in the Native Tree Society has not waned on the recent months.  I am still reading all the posts as they are made via RSS feed and log into the BBS itself at least daily or not multiple times per day.  I still and maintaining and posting interesting links to our Facebook Page and newer Facebook Group.  I would encourage any NTS members who are on Facebook to join this group and page.  The posts there contain links to events and tree info from around the world and are more cosmopolitan that what are posted to the BBS.  
The conversation threads in which I have been particularly active are those dealing with the efforts of American Forests to update their tree measurement guidelines.  I am hoping that changes will be made to better the quality and utility of the AF Big Tree Listing.  I am not optimistic that much progress will be made, but am trying to help and encourage NTS members Robert Leverett and Don Bertolette in their efforts to bring the rest of the measurement committee around to the NTS way of thinking on several measurement fronts.  This is an issue near and dear to my heart.
The other area I want to try to pursue is to encourage NTS members to enter their tree measurements into our Trees Database:  http://www.treesdb.org/  

It is a wonderful resource developed by Mitch Galehouse and Steve Galehouse that can serve our organization well, now and into the future.  
The efforts of Michael Taylor to use remote drones to study trees is blowing me away.  In particular his recent implementation of Structure from Motion to locate exceptional trees in remote locations. It is a privilege to have him in the organization.
This fall is a joint get-together with NTS and Tree Climbers International on October 9-14 in Norcross, Georgia viewtopic.php?f=390&t=4856#p24469  I doubt I will be able to attend myself, but want to encourage everyone who can do so, to attend the event.  Registration information can be found at the link above.
The final thing I want to see the organization work toward is to become a tax-exempt non-profit scientific organization in its own right instead of just being considered for tax purposes a subset of the Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest group.
Edward Forrest Frank

               
                       
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TABLE OF CONTENTS

I want to remind the readers of this magazine that the articles presented here are only a part, usually just the beginning, of the discussions being held on our BBS at http://www.ents-bbs.org .  The full discussion can be read by clicking on the link embedded in the title of each individual article. - Edward Frank
Contents
A tree grows in Brooklyn        13
Re: Do we have wildlife?        13
Re: Eastern OLDLIST        14
Virgin rainforest near Singapore        14
Re: Videos of Old-Growth Oak Forest on Holston Mountain, TN        16
Re: Metasequoia Glyptostroboides (Dawn Redwood)        17
Re: Metasequoia Glyptostroboides (Dawn Redwood)        17
How others describe height measuring        18
Re: How others describe height measuring        18
Re: How others describe height measuring        18
Re: How others describe height measuring        18
Re: How others describe height measuring        19
Re: How others describe height measuring        19
Re: How others describe height measuring        19
Re: How others describe height measuring        19
Re: How others describe height measuring        20
Re: How others describe height measuring        20
Re: How others describe height measuring        20
Re: How others describe height measuring        21
Re: How others describe height measuring        21
Re: How others describe height measuring        21
Good spot in NE Michigan? (Lower peninsula)        22
Re: Good spot in NE Michigan? (Lower peninsula)        22
Re: Good spot in NE Michigan? (Lower peninsula)        22
Re: Tanglewood Park, NC revisited        22
Oakwood, WV        24
Re: Nice American chestnut in Montreat, NC        25
Re: Say Good Bye to the White Ash Tree (WV)        26
Re: Say Good Bye to the White Ash Tree (WV)        26
Re: Say Good Bye to the White Ash Tree (WV)        26
Re: Say Good Bye to the White Ash Tree (WV)        26
The "Tree" Without Roots        27
Re: The "Tree" Without Roots        28
Mt. Olivet Cemetery woodland, WV        28
Re: Mt. Olivet Cemetery woodland, WV        29
Re: Mt. Olivet Cemetery woodland, WV        29
Stunted Trees on Lake Huron Coast        29
Re: Stunted Trees on Lake Huron Coast        31
Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Castanea (Chestnut)        31
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Castanea (Chestnut)        32
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Castanea (Chestnut)        33
Canyonlands National Park, UT        34
Canyonlands National Park, UT        34
Wildfire control in the American Southwest        42
Re: Wildfire control in the American Southwest        42
Congaree Champion Tree Survey news        43
Re: Congaree Champion Tree Survey news        43
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        44
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        44
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        44
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        44
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        45
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        45
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        46
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        46
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        46
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        46
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        47
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        47
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        48
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        48
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        48
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        49
Re: American Forest's Measurement Group        49
Henderson Hall, WV        50
Re: It's football vs. forest at Va. Tech        51
Re: It's football vs. forest at Va. Tech        51
Tribute to Larry Tucei        51
Re: Tribute to Larry Tucei        51
Re: Tribute to Larry Tucei        52
Re: Tribute to Larry Tucei        52
Re: Tribute to Larry Tucei        52
Oak ID, MI        53
Re: Oak ID        54
Re: Oak ID        54
Re: Oak ID        55
Re: Oak ID        55
Re: Oak ID        55
Re: Oak ID        55
Coal Run - WV        56
Re: Coal Run - WV        57
Re: Coal Run - WV        57
Re: Coal Run - WV        57
Re: Coal Run - WV        58
Geology question for Ed Frank        58
Re: Geology question for Ed Frank        58
Tribute to Georgia O'Keefe        58
Tribute to Georgia O'Keefe        59
Besser Natural Area (MI)        66
Re: Besser Natural Area (MI)        70
Re: Besser Natural Area (MI)        70
Re: Besser Natural Area (MI)        70
Virginia Pine Sites with 110 Footers        71
Re: Virginia Pine Sites with 110 Footers        71
Re: Virginia Pine Sites with 110 Footers        72
Re: Big MN Cottonwood        72
Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Catalpa        72
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Catalpa        72
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Catalpa        73
Re: Aerial Drones        73
Re: Aerial Drones        73
Re: Aerial Drones        74
Re: Aerial Drones        74
Re: Aerial Drones        75
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        75
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        75
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        76
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        76
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        76
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        76
Larry Tucei's Pine and More        77
Re: Larry Tucei's Pine and More        80
Structure From Motion to create high resolution point clouds        81
Re: Structure From Motion to create high resolution point cl        83
Re: Structure From Motion to create high resolution point cl        83
Re: Structure From Motion to create high resolution point cl        83
Re: Structure From Motion to create high resolution point cl        83
Re: Structure From Motion to create high resolution point cl        83
Drone Explores & Measures Trees In A Very Remote Forest        85
Re: Mission to Bridge Creek        92
Re: Mission to Bridge Creek        92
Re: Testing TruPulse 200 X        93
Re: Testing TruPulse 200 X        93
Re: 2013 Tree Climbers International/NTS Event October 9-14        94
Re: 2013 Tree Climbers International/NTS Event October 9-14        101
Kudos to NTS        101
Re: 2013 Tree Climbers International/NTS Event October 9-14        102
Oak Openings Metropark (OH)        102
Bernie Krause: The voice of the natural world        103
Re: Bernie Krause: The voice of the natural world        103
Re: Emerald Ash Borer        103
Re: Emerald Ash Borer        104
Re: Emerald Ash Borer        104
Fort Ontario, NY Cottonwoods July 2013        104
Cazenovia, NY July 2013        105
MN Champion American Elm        107
Re: MN Champion American Elm        107
Re: MN Champion American Elm        108
Re: MN Champion American Elm        108
Re: Ohio tree hunt July 20 or 21st?        108
Re: Ohio tree hunt July 20 or 21st?        108
Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Celtis (Hackberry)        109
EAB plot study        109
Re: EAB plot study        110
Re: EAB plot study        111
Re: EAB plot study        111
Bitternut Hickories, Fletcher Park        111
Amazing Old Growth photos of the Eastern US (Video)        112
Good day with Iowa Big Tree Guy        112
Northernmost Redwoods Discovered        112
Re: Chattooga River, SC        113
Re: Chattooga River, SC        113
Re: Chattooga River, SC        114
Who out there is pithed off?        114
Re: Who out there is pithed off?        114
Re: Who out there is pithed off?        114
Re: Who out there is pithed off?        115
Re: Who out there is pithed off?        115
Re: Who out there is pithed off?        115
Re: Who out there is pithed off?        116
Re: Who out there is pithed off?        116
Fallen national champion shortleaf pine        117
Group progress of AF measuring group        119
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        120
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        121
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        121
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        122
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        122
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        123
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        123
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        123
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        123
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        124
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        125
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        125
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        127
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        128
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        128
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        128
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        129
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        131
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Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        132
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        132
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        132
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        133
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        134
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        135
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        135
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        136
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        136
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        137
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        137
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        137
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        137
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        138
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        138
Lin Hall grounds - Ohio University, OH        139
Re: Doodling in Math: Spirals, Fibonacci, and Being a Plant        140
Iowa Big Tree Guy Conquers Colorado        141
Re: Iowa Big Tree Guy Conquers Colorado        141
Re: Iowa Big Tree Guy Conquers Colorado        141
UPdate please        142
Re: UPdate please        142
2013 Atlanta Champion Tree List        143
Re: 2013 Atlanta Champion Tree List        143
Re: 2013 Atlanta Champion Tree List        143
Re: 2013 Atlanta Champion Tree List        144
Re: 2013 Atlanta Champion Tree List        144
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        144
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        144
Are trunks in a multitrunk tree separate trees?        146
Re: Are trunks in a multitrunk tree separate trees?        147
Re: Are trunks in a multitrunk tree separate trees?        148
Re: Are trunks in a multitrunk tree separate trees?        148
Re: Are trunks in a multitrunk tree separate trees?        148
Re: Are trunks in a multitrunk tree separate trees?        149
Re: Are trunks in a multitrunk tree separate trees?        149
Re: Are trunks in a multitrunk tree separate trees?        149
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        150
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        150
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        151
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        152
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        152
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        152
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        153
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        154
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        154
So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        155
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        155
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        155
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        155
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        156
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        156
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        156
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        157
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        157
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        157
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        158
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        158
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        158
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        159
New 108.5 meter redwood in HRSP        159
Re: New 108.5 meter redwood in HRSP        160
Re: Tasmania's 10,500-year-old stand of Huon Pine        160
Re: Tasmania's 10,500-year-old stand of Huon Pine        160
Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        161
Re: Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        161
Re: Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        161
Re: Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        162
Dakota Dunes, SD        162
Re: Dakota Dunes, SD        164
Re: Dakota Dunes, SD        164
How Fire Can Restore a Forest (TIME LAPSE VIDEO)        165
Re: How Fire Can Restore a Forest (TIME LAPSE VIDEO)        165
Re: How Fire Can Restore a Forest (TIME LAPSE VIDEO)        165
Re: Big Oaks in New York        165
Re: Howland's Island        166
Re: Howland's Island        166
Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        166
Re: Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        167
Re: Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        167
Re: Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        167
Re: Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        168
Re: Rucker Index for a Trail - How wide?        168
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        168
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        168
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail        169
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        169
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        169
Re: Tree Maximums - Genus of the Week: Carya (Hickory)        169
Trees database- use it        170
Re: Trees database- use it        170
Re: Trees database- use it        170
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        171
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        173
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        173
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        174
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        175
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        175
Re: Group progress of AF measuring group        176
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        177
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        177
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        177
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        178
Re: So-called Champion Baldcypress - Please Vote        178
How wildfires can do more good than harm        179
Re: How wildfires can do more good than harm        179
Re: Trees database- use it        179
ID this tree – Black Cherry        180
Re: ID this tree        181
Re: ID this tree        181
Re: ID this tree        181
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#2)  Re: eNTS Magazine July 2013

Postby dbhguru » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:45 pm

Ed,

    As always, we are indebted to you for your tireless efforts. In your post, you express some concerns and things you'd like to see. I'll comment on them below.

     In terms of AF changing its measuring rules, don't be pessimistic quite yet. There is a lot of activity going on behind the scenes. Some of it Don and I can share and some we can't. At this point, we are looking for ideas on how to best perform the pith test. I mean an exact protocol that could be explained to certifiers. Currently, we are pushing the other group members to give their input on a number of AF champions, i.e. draw their pith lines. We want to see how each member working independently would draw the lines. That such an effort is being made isn't just a step forward, it is a leap.

   On other fronts, I am proposing that AF certifiers be themselves certified by taking an Internet course that we would design. I am also proposing that AF put out measuring guidelines under their own banner. We would present them with a draft design. So, stuff is happening behind the scenes. It is necessary to employ a number of strategies if progress is to be made. Don and I can't simply dictate to the others. We have to win them over and that is what we are woking on.

     The event in Atlanta should be a hoot. So far, not many NTS members have signed up. I don't know whether cost is the issue, but the program and events are going to be spectaular. I hope more Ents will sign up. Will and I will be conducting three tree measuring courses. We need all the help that we can get.

      Yesterday, I put into motion an initiative to hold an NTS Rendezvous-Old Growth Conference here in Durango in early August 2014. The Center for Southwestern Studies at Fort Lewis College is interested in hosting it - very interested. Dave Stahle and Lee Frelich have already signed on as has Sylvester Allred to present. The amount of interest from people all over the greater San Juan region promises to be deep.  I'll be posting on this 2014 potential event as we make progress. If it happens, an it likely will, I guarantee that attendees will have a super time.

      I have no problem with NTS becoming its on 501c3. But I'm far too busy now to plunge into the administrative headaches associated with forming a 501c3. It ain't fun. I would be interested in what you believe we would accomplish as a fully independent not-for-profit? Are you thinking of membership dues? Do you think that a full not-for-proit status would encourage greater participation in projects and events? Are you thinking of paid positions? As it stands now, I admit that we are a pretty loose organization. I would be interested in hearing from others on what they would like to see changed. My mind is open to the 501c3 direction if a sufficient number of others want it. I would be particularly interested in hearing what our BBS members would do differently were we to go the independent route. What would others be willing to pay in the way of dues?

      With respect to the database, I plan to use it when I return to Mass. I gather that we are not going to have an Excel interface, though. This is what I've been hoping for. It would help immensely. But if it is not too be, it is not to be. I would like to hear from others about its features and any problems they experience. Maybe we can address them on the BBS.

        In terms of Facebook, I'm thankful you took on the challenge. I don't deny there is benefit to the Facebook - NTS link. But every time I go to Facebook, I find it more swamped with trivia.

       Again, thanks for the enormous contribution that you make.

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