Need an image for American Forests Work Group

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Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by dbhguru » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:28 am

Hi All,

Don and I need some help. We're trying to illustrate the challenge of measuring girth for huge, multi-stem trees. We need a photograph of a big multi-stem tree. It needs to be a good, clear image of a behemoth that carries all the challenges we talk about. We need clear permission to use it for the American Forests Guidelines. It can't be somebody else image from the Internet. That could get us into trouble. This must be your image that your giving us permission to use it. Thanks for any help. If several of you submit, we might find a way to illustrate the challenges by using more than one image.

We'll likely call for more help on illustrations and images as we get closer and closer to completing the guidelines. There will be at least three levels:

Guidelines for the General Public (really simple)

Guidelines for State Level Coordinators and Certifiers (intermediate detail)

Guidelines for the National Cadre (soup to nuts)

Please lend your fellow Ents a helping hand. Basically, the whole affair rests with Don and I, which is to say, NTS has an unprecedented role in helping AF improve the National Register. You would not believe how much work Don and I have done to this point in time, but we're at the point where our efforts can pay handsome dividends. We'll soon give everyone a peek at the guidelines and get some final input. Up to this point, it didn't make sense to involve more people, but we've turned several corners and could use feedback, good drawings and photos. Basically, when you see the guidelines, if you have a better illustration than what we created, we'd be willing to make substitutions. A substitution would have to implement the ideas being presented.

Bob
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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by Larry Tucei » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:10 pm

Bob- I have a three Live Oaks in mind for you. The first is the Seven Sisters Live Oak in Lewisburg Louisiana.
Seven Sisters Oak
Seven Sisters Oak
The second Live Oak is the Duffie Oak in Mobile Alabama.
Duffie Oak
Duffie Oak
The third Live Oak is the E. O. Hunt Oak in Longbeach Ms. All of these trees are good examples of Multi-Trunked Live Oaks. I may be partial to Live Oak but I think they need some kind of separate measurement guideline. When I measure these types I just pull the tape around the base of the tree usually below 4.5'.
E. O. Hunt Oak
E. O. Hunt Oak
In the case of the E.O. Hunt Oak I had to measure the trunk two feet above ground. Hope these help you. Larry

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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by dbhguru » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:18 pm

Larry

Whoopee! Just what we need. Thanks a bunch.

Bob
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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by Don » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:51 am

Larry-
Excellent examples!
Do live oaks attain these dimensions on sloping ground?
-Don
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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by tsharp » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:18 am

Bob, Don:
If my picture of a mult-stem Q. muehlenbergii suites you purposes please use it. It can be found in an Ohio posting at:
http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=1619
The picture also has an advantage of at one time being listed as the largest of its species in the AF listing.
TSharp

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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by Will Blozan » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:17 pm

Maryland "Champion" shumard oak(s)
Ugh
Ugh
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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by John Harvey » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:51 pm

Here are three that may help. I just noticed I have a ton of these.
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Sycamore 26ft1in CBH
Sycamore 26ft1in CBH
American Basswood 19ft3in
American Basswood 19ft3in
Oak 19ft5in CBH
Oak 19ft5in CBH
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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by John Harvey » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:08 pm

And three more for the hell of it.
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Silver maple 23'9" CBH
Silver maple 23'9" CBH
Sycamore 24' CBH
Sycamore 24' CBH
Silver Maple 26'5" CBH
Silver Maple 26'5" CBH
John D Harvey (JohnnyDJersey)

East Coast and West Coast Big Tree Hunter

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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by sam goodwin » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:27 pm

I can not think of any trees that can beat Larry's in this area. Sam

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Re: Need an image for American Forests Work Group

Post by Don » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:06 pm

Sam/Johnny/Will/Turner/Larry/ENTs-
You bring up a good point...some species seem to prototypically form multi-stem or at least multistem-like bases. If you've got good photo examples of species you see typically multi-stemmed by their nature (as opposed to having been coppiced or purposely multiply-seeded, it would be timely for us to develop a 'pool' of such species and their examples.
This will enable us to more responsively deal with anticipated conflicts with single- versus multi-stem issues. Your help is much appreciated.

A second request...photo examples of large bases on steeply sloped ground (where 4.5' up from mid-slope still doesn't "daylight") would be very helpful and timely for our soon-to-be submitted draft. As with all such photos, it's very helpful to have objects (like people or items of known dimension) in the image, adjacent to the tree.

Thanks!
Don and Bob...
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