The tallest tree of Europe?

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#1)  The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby KoutaR » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:42 am

Jeroen recently found this:

http://www.crcforestry.com.au/view/index.aspx?id=74825

Tall eucalypts in Spain and Portugal have been laser-measured for the first(?) time, the tallest tree being a 72-meter (236 ft) karri (Eucalyptus diversicolor) native to southwestern corner of Australia. For the other measured species, see Table 1. All the trees in the table are European records for the species. Note that in tables 2 and 3, some records are from other sources and all of them are not reliably measured, like the 78-meter (256 ft) Nordmann fir (Abies nordmanniana).

The measurer is an Australian eucalypt specialist and owner of an arboretum where over 800 eucalypt species are in cultivation. He has also written at least two eucalypt identification books.

The instrument the measurer used is not given in the article, but in a short e-mail discussion, Mr. Nicolle wrote me he measured the trees with Nikon Forestry 550.

An another site with the same story but better images:

http://git-forestry-blog.blogspot.com/2 ... nd-in.html

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#2)  Re: The tallest tree of the Europe?

Postby James Parton » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:51 am

Kouta,

Not only are they records but they are beautiful trees. I love the bark!
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#3)  Re: The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby KoutaR » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:58 am

James,

I like eucalypts, too.

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#4)  Re: The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby mdavie » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:06 pm

That Abies nordmanianna was measured by Vladimir Dinets; he was kind enough to respond to an email I sent asking how he got his numbers, and he said the height measurement was through shadow triangulation, which would certainly make that a very rough estimate. He said the base was somewhat swollen, but even so: 360cm diameter is pretty huge.

So are those eucalyptus. Those things are just nuts.
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#5)  Re: The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby KoutaR » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:37 am

Yeah. It would be extremely exciting to measure those Nordmann firs, but unfortunately Caucasus is so dangerous place at the moment that we must wait. I hope that part of Russia stabilizes in the future.

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#6)  Re: The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby dbhguru » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:40 am

Kouta,

  Thanks for the report. The eucalypts loudly announce their presence wherever they are encountered, natural or planted. Is the entire Caucasus region dangerous, or just parts?

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#7)  Re: The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby Gus GITForestry » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:40 pm

Ed contacted me, so I thought it would be right to pop in :-)
At least this is a good way to say hello to tree people ;-) So...
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I can say I was there at the same time Dean Nicolle was measuring that specimen tree a couple dozen times from different positions, using different visual lines for whole tree height & sectional tree height. Also that the 550 was very reasonably accurate for such huge target, as I could confirm with a Vertex in earlier trees. I can also say I have not measured any taller tree in Europe yet. Several other remarkable or "record-breaking" eucalypts were measured during the that trip.

To my knowledge, this particular tree may well hold at least 5 "top titles" in what regards to tree biometry, including being candidate to tallest (known & standing) tree in Europe.

Great to be around here, thanks Kouta

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#8)  Re: The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby KoutaR » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:23 pm

Bob, I don't know very exactly. In Russian Caucasus including Sochi, there is very much criminality and people and groups of people have also been killed right in forest. In Abkhazia there was a war three years ago. Georgia (excluding Abkhazia and South Ossetia) should be relatively safe but I think the tallest forests don't strech so far east (but I am not sure).

Gus, Great that you joined ENTS! Perhaps you would like to join our group of European laser-measurers, as well. Our mission is to find the tallest trees by species. Till now, we have measurements from France to Finland (plus Mr. Nicolle's measurements in Spain&Portugal), but Mediterranean tree species are still missing. We are interested in all the native tree species - also smaller ones - and introduced species taller than 30 meters. We accept measurements done by the sine method/lasers (like Nikon 550) and by direct tape drop.

Perhaps Dean Nicolle would also like to join ENTS...

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#9)  Re: The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby PAwildernessadvocate » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:42 pm

Kouta Räsänen wrote:Our mission is to find the tallest trees by species. Till now, we have measurements from France to Finland (plus Mr. Nicolle's measurements in Spain&Portugal), but Mediterranean tree species are still missing.


It was cool seeing the Scotch pine growing in its native range when I was in Sweden recently. So much taller and straighter there than in the U.S. Do you know what the champion Scotch pine is currently in Europe?

I have always heard that almost all of the Scotch pine found in the U.S. are derived from an inferior genetic stock that was brought over from Europe decades ago, and that is why they tend to grow in such a twisty, stunted fashion here. I don't know if that's really true though.
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#10)  Re: The tallest tree of Europe?

Postby KoutaR » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:02 am

The tallest Scots pine in our list is currently 45.3 m (149 ft) tall tree growing in Białowieża Forest outside the national park boundaries and measured by Tomasz Niechoda, Leo Goudzwaard and Jeroen last April.

In Central European lowlands Scots pines also grow leaning (but fast). In Scandinavia and Central/southern European Mountains they are straight. An inferior genetic stock could well be the reason for stunted growth in the US, though I have not seen those forests. In Europe, pines of a wrong origin have been planted, too.

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