Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Project

Moderators: edfrank, dbhguru

#1)  Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Project

Postby dbhguru » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:10 pm

NTS

 Tomorrow we start measuring and documenting the legacy trees of the Park. We just finished dinner with the head ranger and his assistant. We settled on a plan. It is going to be a long, productive association. I'll report on the results tomorrow evening or on Thursday. This is the second National Historic Park that NTS has supported. The list of partnerships for us has grown impressively. Here are the ones that come to mind.

Great Smoky Mountains NP
Blue Ridge Parkway
Congaree National Park
Morristown National Historic Park
Marsh-Billings National Historic Park
Nantahala National Forest
San Juan National Forest
Mass Department of Conservation and Recreation
Cook Forest State Park, PA
Mass Audubon
Trustees of Reservation
Laurel Hill Association
Biltmore Estate
Holyoke Community College
City of Northampton, Look Park
Harvard Forest
Great Old Broads for Wilderness
American Forests

  There are other organizations that Will Blozan could add and Michael Taylor no doubt has some groups as well. But the role that NTS is playing in support of other organizations is growing. Not a bad record.

Bob
Robert T. Leverett
Co-founder and Executive Director
Native Native Tree Society
Co-founder and President
Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest

For this message the author dbhguru has received Likes - 3:
Larry Tucei, Steve Galehouse, Will Blozan
User avatar
dbhguru
 
Posts: 4056
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:34 pm
Location: Florence, Massachusetts
Has Liked: 4 times
Has Been Liked: 1087 times
Print view this post

#2)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby Larry Tucei » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:47 pm

Bob,  A very impressive listing and it says tons of how NTS has grown over the years. The Forestry and Science community are really taking notice thanks to all your hard work and others in NTS. The sky is the limit! I was lucky enough to be a team member on the Congaree Project, Biltmore Project and Great Smoky Mountains NP. It was a real pleasure working with everyone and I hope to be more involved in the future. What a super group of people we have and I'm proud to be a member of such a great organization. Thanks to everyone!!!!  I hope to get up to New England in the near future but for now Colorado next summer!!!  Larry
User avatar
Larry Tucei
 
Posts: 1838
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:44 am
Location: Southern Mississippi
Has Liked: 698 times
Has Been Liked: 588 times
Print view this post

#3)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby dbhguru » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:45 pm

Larry,

  Your project to measure and document the great live oaks of the Southeast is one of the reasons we're riding high as an organization. We thank you and I look forward to your participation in Colorado next summer and hopefully New England in the fall.

NTS,

  Today, Monica and I spent the day in Marsh-Billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park with the ranger staff. Last night we stayed at a nearby B&B so we would be positioned to get right to work. Here are some images from the front of the B&B. Gorgeous place.

               
                       
AppleHill-1.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
AppleHill-2.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
AppleHill-3.jpg
                                       
               


  And now to the catch of the day.

Species                   Girth-ft       Height-ft

Norway Spruce         9.5             95.0
E. hemlock                                99.5
White Pine              11.2           114.5
White Pine              11.8           120.5
Norway Spruce         11.1           120.5
Norway Spruce                           124.5
Norway Spruce          7.9            127.5
Norway Spruce         12.5           128.0
European Larch                          130.5
White Pine               12.2            132.5  
Norway Spruce         10.2            140.0
Norway Spruce           9.7            140.5
White Pine               11.5            142.0
White Pine               10.0            142.0
White Pine                10.1           145.9
White Pine                10.8           146.9
White Pine                13.0           150.5

  I measured about twice as many trees as shown above. Most were Norway spruces between 110 and 120 feet. Folks, I haven't even begun to exhaust the resource. Here are some images.

               
                       
MBRNHP-NS-1.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
MBRNHP-NS-2.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
MBRNHP-NS-3.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
MBRNHS-NS-5.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
MBRNHP-NS-4.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
MBRNHP-WP-1.jpg
                                       
               


   This is the behemoth, the 13 x 150.5 footer
               
                       
MBRNHP-WP-2.jpg
                                       
               


   To say that the trip was a success would be something of an understatement. NTS now holds the records for the tallest European Larch, Norway Spruce, and White Pine in Vermont. We also know when these trees were planted. The huge white pines is 138 years old. It has a big crown. Lots of growing left to do. It's a honker.

   We are laying the groundwork for a long term partnership between the NHP and NTS. The huge pine will be modeled and tracked. All the legacy trees will be measured and mapped.

   Folks, this is one class-act Park. It has been a long time since I've gotten so excited about a New England property.

Bob
Robert T. Leverett
Co-founder and Executive Director
Native Native Tree Society
Co-founder and President
Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest

For this message the author dbhguru has received Likes - 2:
Jess Riddle, tsharp
User avatar
dbhguru
 
Posts: 4056
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:34 pm
Location: Florence, Massachusetts
Has Liked: 4 times
Has Been Liked: 1087 times
Print view this post

#4)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby Joe » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:30 am

I just adore Norway Spruce. I'm preparing a timber harvest in the Berkshires where there are quite a few Norway Spruces in the stand- which were planted in the '30s and are now getting fairly large. I didn't mark any for harvest because I like them so much. I told the owner that they are far more valuable as specimen trees than as timber. I just hope none fall down from the exposure of the harvest.
Joe
User avatar
Joe
 
Posts: 1750
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:26 am
Location: Massachusetts
Has Liked: 0 times
Has Been Liked: 171 times
Print view this post

#5)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby dbhguru » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:08 am

Joe,

  Marsh-Billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park is drop dead gorgeous. It has lots of research going on, lots of visitors looking at the management that has been the hall mark of property since the mid-1870s. What a difference when things are done right!  The Norway spruce are incredible. Here are three more images, two of Norways and one of white pines.

               
                       
MBRNHP-NS-a.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
MBRNHP-NS-b.jpg
                                       
               


               
                       
MBRNHP-WP-a.jpg
                                       
               


  I saw some horse logging going on while there yesterday. It fit in well. Monica got an fine tour of the mansion and a real education on the history of the property and the role of the Billings women.

  Interestingly, the huge 13 x 150.5 x 55-foot white pine is almost dead center on a study plot maintained by researchers to monitor what is going on with the forest. What do you want to bet that they don't have a clue as to what kind of growth that white pine is enjoying? Well, we're going to change that. The behemoth is packing on the wood and has a big broad crown with lots of growth candles. I've approached them about a possible climb and trunk modeling project. Some of them are definitely interested. Iy will all work out in time. But in the interim I have a veritable playpen filled with gorgeous Norway spruces and great whites. I'm happy as a pig wallowing in mud.

  Joe, ya gotta see this place.

Bob
Robert T. Leverett
Co-founder and Executive Director
Native Native Tree Society
Co-founder and President
Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest
User avatar
dbhguru
 
Posts: 4056
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:34 pm
Location: Florence, Massachusetts
Has Liked: 4 times
Has Been Liked: 1087 times
Print view this post

#6)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby Larry Tucei » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:16 am

Bob,  I went to the Marsh-Billings-Rockefeller NHPP website to read about this fantastic place. The images you posted are very beautiful and after learning more about MBRNHPP it is on my places to visit in the future. The Forests are awesome and what really talked to me was the size a White Pine can become in just 138 years. Huuuuge!!  http://www.nps.gov/mabi/index.htm  Larry
User avatar
Larry Tucei
 
Posts: 1838
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:44 am
Location: Southern Mississippi
Has Liked: 698 times
Has Been Liked: 588 times
Print view this post

#7)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby dbhguru » Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:40 pm

Larry,

    MBRNHP is pure class - vintage New England. And the Norway spruce there are off the charts. Two at 140 feet! The big pine falls into a very, very exclusive club, pines in the 13 x 150 club. Here is another image from MBRNHP. More gorgeous Norways.

               
                       
MBRNHP-Norways.jpg
                                       
               


Bob
Robert T. Leverett
Co-founder and Executive Director
Native Native Tree Society
Co-founder and President
Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest
User avatar
dbhguru
 
Posts: 4056
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:34 pm
Location: Florence, Massachusetts
Has Liked: 4 times
Has Been Liked: 1087 times
Print view this post

#8)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby Joe » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:14 pm

and to think- the state of Mass. has tried hard to wipe out Norway Spruce on its lands as a "furin" species
User avatar
Joe
 
Posts: 1750
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:26 am
Location: Massachusetts
Has Liked: 0 times
Has Been Liked: 171 times
Print view this post

#9)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby adam.rosen » Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:28 pm

Wow--I am so glad to hear about this project.  I am also just, like, pleasantly shocked to see my intuition about the trees at Marsh Billings verified with data.

Accounts of the park indicate that there were wonderful woods in the late 1800's and carriage rides through the woods were a treat.  I've seen other accounts indicating that hemlocks and maples in the park were "old growth".  given the size of the maples and hemlocks, and the local history of settlement, it seems that a  towering and picturesque forest in the 1880's would likely be old growth-especially given the growth patterns of the hemlocks.  The hemlocks are present in an older post of mine about this park.  They do line the carriage roads.

Here is a photo of my brother, who is girthy, with one of the maples which may, or may not, be old growth.  Comments (on the tree, not my brother)?  Are those old skid scars, or sleigh scars, on the left side maple?
Attachments
dan OG maple billings.JPG
User avatar
adam.rosen
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 8:20 pm
Location: Vermont
Has Liked: 0 times
Has Been Liked: 21 times
Print view this post

#10)  Re: Marsh-billings-Rockefeller National Historic Park Projec

Postby dbhguru » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:40 pm

Adam

 A return to MBR NHP is on my radar scope for the fall. I'm anxious to continue the documentation. Maybe we can meet up there. I would like to model the big pine.

Bob
Robert T. Leverett
Co-founder and Executive Director
Native Native Tree Society
Co-founder and President
Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest
User avatar
dbhguru
 
Posts: 4056
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:34 pm
Location: Florence, Massachusetts
Has Liked: 4 times
Has Been Liked: 1087 times
Print view this post

Next

Return to Vermont

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest