Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:32 pm

Bart,
I had problems getting laser measurements on the mushroom. There really was no place to attach a rope for a tape drop either. Perhaps some day there will be a direct way to measure it but until that day comes we'll have to rely on guesstimates or alternative facts when talking about shrooms.
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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by Bart Bouricius » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:22 am

Brian,

Considering those constraints, we may never get this critical data, especially considering the life expectancy of this species, but possibly you could construct a spread sheet, using alternative data, and call it a day?

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by ElijahW » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:01 pm

Brian,

Them are some impressive trees. So you're saying that the young tulips are averaging around 4' per year? That's amazing. Good work,

Elijah
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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:45 am

I visited the Point Lookout Tulip on Sunday. My 440's battery was cashed out so I didn't get too many measurements on the other tulips but the PLT's top and bottom are easy to hit with the Riflehunter rangefinder. I couldn't top 170' on its companion and ran out of light on the other 170 footer. The PLT is up to 183.0'! I believe that makes it the tallest measured hardwood in the east outside of the Smokies. Just a couple of white pines top it outside of the Smokies. A couple of Tulips on the edge of Nantahala Nat'l Forest could top it but haven't been measured in some time and are on private land.

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by Erik Danielsen » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:42 am

Congratulations on the new height. That's in line with the growth rate you noted, and so the exciting question is how long will it continue in that fashion? Will this tree hit 190' in 2021? Will it find a comfy dominant spot in the sun and chill out for a bit? The fact that our tallest tulip is a relatively old tree well into development of a gnarled crown makes me think that a younger tree still in an earlier growth phase should surpass it.

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:12 pm

Erik,
This tree is in a super rich spot and has grown consistently, however, I believe it will top out soon. If it can keep up another year of ~3' growth, it'll probably hit 190', but I expect it to slow down and then stop growing upward in the next two to three years. Only one tulip that we know of has surpassed 190', and it is old growth. Tulips seem to stop growing upward at a particular threshold and then put energy into expanding girth. I just visited a tulip in the Smokies that was measured at 187' about 7 years ago. It also has an ideal location and has put on just one foot in those seven years. It looks healthy and vigorous. It just hasn't put on height. It appears that the threshold for tulips in ideal locations is in the upper 180's or perhaps the low 190's before they simply inch upward and concentrate more on girth.
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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by Josh Kelly » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:07 pm

Brian,

That's amazing growth there. There are at least a couple of trees in the Cowee Mountains (East Barkers Creek) that we visited back in 2010 that were taller. One hit 184'+ and the other 186'+

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:28 am

The listed heights were 184.5' and 183.6'. Undoubtedly, they are a bit taller now. The 184.5' was just 96" cbh! I believe the PLT is over 120".
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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:01 pm

I had reported on a 147' chestnut oak a few years back on the Kitsuma Trail. After three attempts to relocate and photogragh the tree, I've concluded that there was an error in measurement. Either the top or the bottom of a tulip tree was included in the measurement. The chestnut oaks next to the 166' tulip measure in the 120's. I also determined that the tallest hickory is a red hickory and not a pignut. Persimmon tops 96'. The latest Rucker on the Royal Gorge follows:

R10 = 139.04'

Lirio tulip 183.0'
Carya ovalis 140.3'
Platanus occi 139.7'
Quercus alba 138.6'
Quercus montana 135.5'
Quercus rubra 134.7'
Carya glabra 132.8'
Quercus velot 132.6'
Carya cordif 128.5'
Tsuga canaden 125.4'

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Re: Royal Gorge, Kitsuma Trail, Pisgah Nat'l Forest, NC

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:41 pm

I did a little remeasuring on the Kitsuma Trail. Old heights are posted where I know for certain what their former heights were. The tall oaks have each suffered crown loss due to storm activity. The white oak appeared to have lost its uppermost branching just days before I remeasured. Fortunately, it has several leaders. The formerly tallest tulip has been losing a foot or more each time I've measured it.

Quercus alba 136.1' (138.4')
Quercus velotina 131.0' (132.6) 121.0'
Quercus montana 128.6' 127.4'
Acer rubrum 129.2' (123.4’)110.9'
Carya cordiformis 130.0'
Lirio tulip 161.2' (166.7) 164.5' 152.0' 151.2' 146.6'

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