Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville,NC

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Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville,NC

Post by bbeduhn » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:57 am

Azalea Park contains a state of the art soccer facility and the old cabin of Thomas Wolfe, author of "Look Homeward, Angel" and other works. Across the river, on the same hill as the WNC Nature Center, lies a small strip of floodplain and mountainside forest. This is where I measured. The Nature Center is due for a new measurement and that'll happen very soon. I figured I'd lump them together in the same thread since they border each other.

The ash all appeared to be white but could be Biltmore.
I'm fairly certain of the butternut ID. I'll have pics coming from the butternut. The basswood had smallish leaves but is most likely T. heterophylla. (edit from W.Blozan's input)

edit: the hickory (139.4') I originally listed as a bitternut appears to be a pignut. The bark is definitely pignut and the fruit appears to be pignut as well. I would expect that height from a red hickory. I'll get a second opinion from Will but I'm fairly certain it's pignut.

Betula nigra river birch 70.1' 72.8' 75.8' 77.7'

Platinus occidentalis sycamore 121.2' 121.5' 122.2' 127.3' 129.0' 131.5'

Fraxinus americana or Biltmoreana white ash or Biltmore ash (edit) 113.3' 116.4' 118.5' 125.9'

Carya glabra pignut hickory 139.4'

Carya alba mockernut hickory 112.1' 115.7' 126.3'

Carya cordiformis bitternut hickory 100.7'

Liriodendron tulipfera tuliptree 132.5' 135.9' 141.1'

Quercus alba white oak 108.1' 113.0'

Quercus rubra red oak 119.8' 124.6'

Quercus velotina black oak 109.6' 110.7'

Quercus montana chestnut oak 106.4'

Juglans nigra black walnut 87.7'

Juglans cinera butternut 109.6' 4'6" cbh @ 6' 5'7" cbh @ 4.5' tree is a double with a very small second trunk

Prunus serotina black cherry 101.2'

Tilia heterophylla white basswood 86.2'

I explored a small strip of land between E. and W. Hawthorn streets across the river from the other site. There was a report of a 150'+ tulip but none came out that high.

Pinus echinata shortleaf pine 103.6'

Pinus rigida pitch pine 109.9'

Prunus serotina black cherry 111.0' 114.2'

Liriodendron tulipfera tuliptree 134.6' 136.3' 138.7' 144.2'

Brian
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Re: Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville,NC

Post by Will Blozan » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:04 pm

Brian,

The adjoining forest in the Trillium Glen area of the WNC Nature Center will combine with these trees for an impressive Rucker. I don't think green ash or American basswood make it naturally to the Swannanoa River. Likely Biltmore ash and white basswood.

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Re: Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville,NC

Post by Larry Tucei » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:23 pm

Brian- You really have been busy of late, you are a measuring machine!! I'll be getting into the Forest at Noxubee NWR next week. If the Rivers are not to bad I should get some good stuff. Larry

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Re: Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville,NC

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:17 am

Trillium Glen at the WNC Nature Center has some gems. Unfortunately, the trail is closed at 4:30 so I was in a bit of a rush to get out of there so I didn't suffer the same fate as Will and Dale did in 2005 (They had to scale a barbed wire fence and fend off wolves and cougars on their way out).

I'm just going to list a few numbers. I really had to rush through the best section (and my numbers were lower then the numbers from 2005 on several oak species) so I'll stick with the understory trees.

carpinus caroliniana hornbeam 33.5' 47.5'

Ostrya virginiana hophornbeam 43.5'

Oxydendron arboreum sourwood 60.8'

Pinus virginiana Virginia pine 113.6'

There was another Va pine that had broken off about 30' up. That was most likely the pine that measured 113.9' in 2005. I'll get back when I have more time to spend on the oaks...they are magnificent!
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Re: Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville,NC

Post by Will Blozan » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:23 am

Brian,

Yeah man!- lots of 120-130' oaks in there. Did you shoot the VA Pine from upslope? I was able to get ~115'.

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Re: Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville,NC

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:54 am

Will,
I shot from both sides along the trail, not up above, but was in the process of making a beeline to the exit. I'll reshoot everything when I get back. I got very similar numbers on the oaks as from 2005, but white and red were about 2' lower on the tallest specimens. I missed the upslope hickories and walnuts as well. The site will get its due respect.

The hickory from Azalea Park in post #1 is actually a pignut, or possibly a red, but it looks like classic pignut. I edited the entry.
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Re: Azalea Park/WNC Nature Center, Asheville,NC

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:44 pm

I spent some more time measuring the mighty oaks and other trees of the Trillium Trail. The Va pine has a substanstial lean which may be the reason for me getting a lower figure on it than Will. The larger walnut is dead but still has some substantial height. It looks like it would have broken 120'. The white oak is the tallest in the county and the scarlet may well be. The ashes are outstanding.

Quercus rubra red oak 122.6' 123.7' 125.0' 127.5' 130.0' 130.9'

Quercus alba white oak 116.0' 116.9' 133.2'

Quercus coccinea scarlet oak 118.6' 121.6' 122.7' 123.7' 128.3'

Quercus velotina black oak 118.2' 119.0'

Quercus montana chestnut oak 109.1'

Carya glabra pignut hickory 113.8'

Carya alba mockernut hickory 100.2'

Carya cordiformis bitternut hickory 108.0' 118.7'

Juglans nigra walnut 98.9' 101.9' 106.2'dead 115.5'

Fraxinus americana biltmoreana biltmore ash 117.9' 125.4' 129.6' 130.9'

Tilia heterophylla white basswood 97.4' 121.7'

Liriodendron tulipifera tuliptree 125.2' 128.9' 130.2' 130.6' 134.0'

Platanus occidentalis sycamore 103.8'

Robinia pseudoacacia black locust 94.1'

Prunus serotina black cherry 104.9' 107.8' 116.3'

Pinus strobus white pine 126.2'

Pinus virginiana Virginia pine 113.6'

Oxydendron arboreum sourwood 74.9' 77.3'

Betula nigra river birch 70.8'

Carpinus caroliniana hornbeam 33.5' 47.5'

Ostyra virginiana hophornbeam 43.5'

The Rucker for the cove is 125.92'
The rucker for the entire site, including Azalea Park stands at 131.26'
There is still an upland, drier section to search, which will hopefully yield some better white and shortleaf pines.
Brian

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