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#11)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby bbeduhn » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:10 am

The rain just doesn't want to stop.  I ventured out despite the endless downpours and checked out some shortleaf I'd been itching to measure.  These are associated with some previous measurements.

new
pinus echinata    shortleaf pine          99.1'   103.4'   103.6'   103.7'   110.8'   111.1'

previously measured
pinus echinata    shortleaf pine         106.5'   117.5'   118.1'   122.3'   124.6' now dead

I did some recon further up the trail as well.  I noticed tulips and hickories and took a few measurements this time.  The fog limited me as well as a steady downpour.  This area looks promising as it is a steep slope dominated by tulip with a strong presence of hickory.

Liriodendron tulipfera     tuliptree      128.9'   135.4'   141.0'
Carya cordiformis   bitternut hickory  117.6'   129.3'

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#12)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby Ashe County » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:03 pm

It took me several years to figure out that sweet cherry could naturalize.   I had some trees that looked like cherries but not any of the native ones.  finally they put on a few fruits that were sweet.  not expecting a good crop from them as the ones I planted just don't like the spring weather.
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#13)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby dbhguru » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:58 pm

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  What's the Rucker for the Mountains to Sea Trail now?

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#14)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby bbeduhn » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:59 am

Bob,
The current Rucker index for the Mountains-to-Sea Trail:

R10= 133.13'
R20= 124.83'

pinus strobus            154.7'
lirio tulip                   142.1'
pinus taeda               134.0'
quercus montana       133.5'
quercus alba              130.9'
carya glabra              129.4'
carya cordiformis      129.3'
quercus rubra            127.2'
quercus coccinea        125.4'
pinus rigida               124.8'

carya ovalis               122.6'
pinus echinata           122.3'
fraxinus Americana    121.6'
quercus velotina         121.3'
metaseq glypto           119.7'
prunus serotina          114.7'
acer rubrum               113.8'
pinus virginiana         112.1'
robinia pseudo           110.2'
carya alba                  107.0'

The dawn redwood sounds funny.  I included trees within 100 yards so loblolly and redwood at the entrance to the WNC Arboretum are included.  Tulip should go higher and hickory may as well.  Sycamore should make the list and red spruce has a chance.  I hope to get some spruce this weekend but the Parkway closure will make that difficult.
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#15)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby dbhguru » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:38 pm

Brian,

  Totally cool! I really like the idea of profiling big/tall trees along an important hiking trail. It really is a new way to focus the attention of others on the features offered by a trail. Lots to do along those lines. Featuring trees along a trail is what we are doing with the Hermosa Creek Trail in the La Platas. The Mountains-to-Sea Trail sounds like it offers endless possibilities.

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#16)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby Josh Kelly » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:57 am

Brian,

It's worth noting that the Mountains-to-Sea Trail goes through some great big/tall tree territory in the Smokies including Pole Road Creek, Chasteen Creek, Enloe Creek and Hyatt Creek.  All of those areas would add notable species maxima to your list.

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#17)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby bbeduhn » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:13 am

Josh & Bob,
I haven't made it to those areas yet.  There's some old growth near 73/74 that might need some checking but it's remote.  I imagine those areas could push the Rucker well beyond 140'.  It also hits some nice areas in the Piedmont.  I doubt I'll try to search the entire trail...938 miles at present and it will grow a bit over time.
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#18)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby Will Blozan » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:05 pm

Brian,

Chasteen Creek alone will have a Rucker over 140'... It is in serious need of remeasure this winter.

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#19)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby edfrank » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:25 pm

Brian, Guys, Girls,

For something like a trail or other linear feature I would think it woukld be important to only include trees within a certain distance of the path of the trail.  What do you think?  If you disagree, Why?  If you agree, what is a good distance from the trail to include?

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#20)  Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail

Postby dbhguru » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:00 pm

Ed,

 I agree that to be included in the Rucker for a trail, we need a limiting distance. I propose a distance of 200 feet either side. I would even go 250, but not more.

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