Biltmore Estate Trees

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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by Larry Tucei » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:50 am

Brian, I’m enjoying the photos. It brings back memories of my visit in 08 when I saw all the trees at Biltmore I was in Awe! That Japanese Maple just blew me away as did all the trees. What was really amazing Bob Van Pelt was scientifically naming every species we encountered? I had trouble with the common names so many exotic species there.http://groups.google.com/group/entstree ... f7dd?hl=en Larry

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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:59 pm

Larry,
I've scoured those reports and pics multiple times. I wish I'd been involved with ENTS back then.

Ed,
I will have some photos. They're still in the camera yet but will follow.

It's hardwood season so I started inventorying the forest by the entrance. For the first time, I was asked for credentials as I sautered off into the woods. Some very fine trees reside right next to the parking lot. I started up the left side of a small ravine, then did cherry hill up top and came down the right side. I'll call this section the entrance grove.

Picea abies Norway spruce 96.9' 104.5' 107.6'
Tsuga canadiensis hemlock 121.8' 9'7" cbh
Fagus grandifolia beech 111.9' 109.3' 101.9' 108.4' 103.1' 112.8'
Fraxinus americana white ash 112.9' 113.5' 115.4' 123.1' 125.4' 128.7'
Quercus alba white oak 102.7' 111.5' 112.8' 117.7'
Quercus velotina black oak 108.7' some balding on trunk
Quercus rubra red oak 110.6'
Quercus coccinea scarlet oak 110.2'
Pinus strobus white pine 132.6' 133.4'
liriodendron tulipfera tuliptree 129.3'
Platinus occidentalis sycamore 114.3'
Prunus serotina black cherry 101.4' 103.6'
Oxydendrum arboreum sourwood 95.7' find of the day
Juglans nigra black walnut 107.7'
Carya glabra pignut hickory 105.1'
Carya cordiformis bitternut hick 99.8' 103.8'
Carya ovalis red hickory 110.3'
Carya alba or tomentosa mock. hick. 97.1' 106.0'
Acer rubra red maple 113.1'

Grove R10 = 119.2'

Just some random numbers from the Diana grove, near the main house. I'll get all of the trees there soon. The hemlock grove is at the top of a hill. They're surprisingly tall for such a location.

tuliptree 132.0' 134.8' 128.9' 143.4' 139.7'
red oak 130.8'
quercus montana chestnut oak 107.4' 111.6'
hemlock 112.8' 109.5' 100.3' 112.4' 106.3'

Bass Pond Trail

scarlet oak 103.5' 105.3' 117.2'
white oak 112.0'

Baldcypress grove by a private residence on the estate, by the bass pond. These were very difficult to get without trespassing, so they're approximations.

Taxodium distichum ~86.0' ~67.9' ~67.7' ~77.6' ~101.0'
~98.4' ~92.8' ~74.7' ~92.1'

Bass pond dam
I had a clean shot of the base of the baldcypress. I previously had it at 126.7'.
Taxodium distichum 132.4'

Current Rucker index: 139.25' Note: the sycamore is in Biltmore Village, about 40 yards from the actual estate property. The highest I've found on the estate proper is 128.3', but that recently died and was removed. There's still much more to explore. I haven't crosschecked with the figures from the ENTS gathering from last decade.
pinus strobus 158.1'
Tsuga canadiensis 144.2'
Platinus Occident. 145.5'
Lirio. tulip. 143.4'
Larix decidua (?) 136.9'
Junglans nigra 137.5'
Picea abies 133.6'
taxodium distichum 132.4'
Quercus rubra 130.8'
Metasequoia glypto. 130.1'

Edit: I updated a few heights. I put the wrong figure in for white pine (just .2 off) and remeasured the larix and the platinus. The larix dropped slightly. The previous measure involved adding measurements from completely different angles.
Brian
Sourwood
Sourwood
95.7' sourwood
95.7' sourwood
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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by Tyler » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:37 am

Brian,

Good work getting numbers on some of these less measured species. Pretty impressive height on that baldcypress.

Tyler

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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:09 pm

This covers the area along the entrance road from the first private drive to the ticket center and a large area away from the road back to a private residence. The tulips are frustrating. I haven't come close to a 150' yet. I was pleased to find a stellar sugar maple grove.

beech fagus grandi. 99.2' 102.2' 100.5' 101.4' 105.8' 111.4'
tulip lirio. tulip. 123.5' 128.0' 133.8'
sugar maple acer sach. 96.9' 104.7' 107.7' 108.0' 109.2' 109.2' 109.3' 112.3'
cherry prunus sero. 113.0'
blk. oak quercus velo. 109.9' 113.5'
red oak quercus rubra 107.7' 112.4'
scarlet oak quercus cocc. 102.6' 107.3' 107.4' 112.6'
sycamore plat. occ. 107.1' 109.4' 118.9' remeasure of the big daddy in Biltmore Village 145.5'
wych elm ulmus glabra 97.1' 107.1' fairly certain of the species
Am. basswood tilia amer. 120.0' remeasure-old 119.3'
laurel oak quercus lauri. 107.9'
shellb. hick carya lacin. 117.6'
car. hem. tsuga car. 98.2'
hemlock tsuga canad. 112.1' 124.4'
shortleaf pine pinus echin. 94.6' 100.7' 104.4'
Euro. larch larix decidua 115.1' 136.9' remeasure. Old was 137.8' but involved adding calculations from very different perspectives.
norway spruce picea abies 112.1' 113.1' 114.7' 120.6' 122.0'

The Norway grove was absolutely gorgeous! Much more measuring needs to be done in it. I brought my camera but it didn't have the memory chip so no pics yet.

Brian

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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by bbeduhn » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:27 pm

Arbor Trace Trail

This trail runs through a young white pine forest, some hardwoods, afield and then into an enormous Norway spruce grove bordered by an enormous sugar maple grove. These groves are almost completely pure stands. It's like traveling from eastern Europe to New England in the span of 30 yards. The white pines appear to be a native strain. Many of the white pines on the estate came from Maine by way of Germany. I'd guess these are in the 45-55 yr. range. The sugars (numbering around 100) and Norways are likely in the 55-75 yr. range. There was one huge surprise. This tree is supposedly not native but there it was and it was enormous--a 12' cbh shellbark hickory. The nuts matched. There is a planted one by the ticket center but this one is much older than the estate. Yes, I did get pictures but no, they're not in the computer yet. Much of the trail is adjacent to Interstate 40, including the large shellbark.

white oak 103.3'
sweetgum 106.5'
sugar maple 96.9' 106.4'
tuliptree 120.3' 122.2' 134.1'
Norway spruce 100.9' 104.8' 112.0' 112.5' 117.5' 117.9' 124.4'
white pine 135.4' 137.7' 141.5' 142.0' 145.2'
mockernut hickory 119.6' ~12' cbh

Brian
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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:29 pm

95.7' sourwood
95.7' sourwood
95.7' sourwood crown
95.7' sourwood crown
white oak
white oak
white oak crown  117.7'
white oak crown 117.7'
white ash
white ash
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hemlock  9'7" cbh  121'
hemlock 9'7" cbh 121'

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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:37 pm

mockernut hickory crown  119.6'   ~12' cbh
mockernut hickory crown 119.6' ~12' cbh
mockernut hickory  ~12' cbh
mockernut hickory ~12' cbh
mockernut hickory ~12' cbh
mockernut hickory ~12' cbh
mockernut hickory nuts
mockernut hickory nuts
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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:41 pm

sugar maples
sugar maples
sugar maples
sugar maples
Norway spruce
Norway spruce
Norway spruce
Norway spruce
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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by Will Blozan » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:19 pm

Brian,

Thanks for the pics! That sourwood is sweet- may be a county height record. How did you eliminate Carya alba from the options on the hickory?

I am currently in Alaska and plan to dethrone the black spruce record before I leave.

Will

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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

Post by dbhguru » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:42 am

Brian,

Your accomplishments are awesome to behold. Thanks to your efforts, we now know more about Biltmore Estate than ever before. Between you, Will, and a few others, this remarkable property can finally be appreciated for what it is.

We know that the estates of the rich and famous are often great places to hunt for big and/or tall trees. I'm unsure where all the estates we've covered fit in, but I think Biltmore currently leads the pack in terms of variety and quality. More generally, Biltmore, Longwood Gardens, Winterthur, Vanderbilt Estate, Marsh-Billings-Rockerfeller NHP, Morristown NHP, Montpelier, Monticello, and Poplar Forest come to mind when I connect people of fame to landscaped gardens and national historical parks. If city parks are included, we have the city of Philadelphia to turn to for an example of an outstanding urban forest.

Interestingly, most of the parks with big trees are not well known to the public as tree parks. NTS can provide a valuable service to the public by presenting these tree havens in some kind of formal order. The Internet and television are chopped full of programs and lists heralding the top ten of this or that. Maybe we should throw our hats into the ring and come up with various lists of superlative tree parks; i.e. the best of this and that spread over many categories. Just a thought. Anyway, thanks for the extraordinary effort that you are devoting to measuring the trees of Biltmore.

Bob
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