Lake Julian Hollies.

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Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by James Parton » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:11 pm

ENTS,
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Today, after a 1 1/2 month hiatus, I finally made it back into the forest to do some measuring. Last summer while doing a casual hike in an area I call " area one " on a previous post http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldt ... ark_nc.htm I noticed a couple of holly trees that may exceed 50 feet and thought, "I'll have to get back and measure these ". Well, I finally returned there with my daughter Sarah in tow to measure these and a few others a little deeper into the forest than I visited on the previous trip.

With the temperature just a little above freezing, my hands got cold making it hard for me to use the laser and write in my notebook. Sarah's teeth were chattering. But we got er' done! While these trees are not Congaree-class, they are still quite nice. The 49 footer was overall the largest tree measured and had a nice form and healthy crown. The 51 footer is tall and skinny. The tallest of two " twin hollies " measured was 43.1 ft.

Here are the numbers and some pictures.

Girth Height

2' 3" 43.1'
3' 0" 49.3'
2' 4" 51.2'
2' 7 1/4" 41.2'
- 30.0'
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Re: Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by Tyler » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:14 pm

James,

Nice hollies. I'm also finally getting some free time to explore the forests around here.

Tyler

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Re: Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by mdavie » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:18 pm

There are quite a few nice hollies all through the French Broad River valley, from Biltmore Forest, across the estate and on down towards Hendersonville and Flat Rock. There are some places— especially around the Ramble, say— where the understory is nearly pure holly, and there are some cool specimens. What a lovely species they can be.

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Re: Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by Steve Galehouse » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:36 pm

James-

Really nice photos---I really like how much holly bark resembles beech bark. There are no native hollies in my area, but some in older, shady landscape plantings take on the characteristics of those in your photos.

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Re: Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by James Parton » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:38 am

Tyler,
You have access to Congaree. That place is Holly Heaven! They gotta be a 100 footer in there somewhere. See if you can find it!

Michael,
The Ramble is pretty close to me. I will have to check that area out. I have found several 60 ft class trees around Hendersonville but I have never found one in Western North Carolina that has broken 70 feet. Have you? How about you, Will Blozan?

Steve,
Holly does have pretty smooth bark that is a lot like beech. So smooth that the hooks on my tape have nothing to grab onto when I am trying to set the tape to do a girth measurement.

Here is a nice link on hollies. It mentions English Holly making it to 120 feet tall with a 40 ft spread and 4.5 feet in diameter! I find that almost unimaginable but so would I have found a 97ft holly in Congaree to have been unbelievable or a 106 footer in the Smokies. Kouta or Jeroen, Do you have any info on the size of English Holly in Europe?

" The English Hollies recorded have lived hundreds of years and grown as large as 120 x 40 feet with trunk diameters up to 4.5 feet ".

http://rslandscapedesign.blogspot.com/2 ... amily.html
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Re: Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by James Parton » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:22 pm

James Parton wrote:Tyler,
You have access to Congaree. That place is Holly Heaven! They gotta be a 100 footer in there somewhere. See if you can find it!

Michael,
The Ramble is pretty close to me. I will have to check that area out. I have found several 60 ft class trees around Hendersonville but I have never found one in Western North Carolina that has broken 70 feet. Have you? How about you, Will Blozan?

Steve,
Holly does have pretty smooth bark that is a lot like beech. So smooth that the hooks on my tape have nothing to grab onto when I am trying to set the tape to do a girth measurement.

Here is a nice link on hollies. It mentions English Holly making it to 120 feet tall with a 40 ft spread and 4.5 feet in diameter! I find that almost unimaginable but so would I have found a 97ft holly in Congaree to have been unbelievable or a 106 footer in the Smokies. Kouta or Jeroen, Do you have any info on the size of English Holly in Europe?

" The English Hollies recorded have lived hundreds of years and grown as large as 120 x 40 feet with trunk diameters up to 4.5 feet ".

http://rslandscapedesign.blogspot.com/2 ... amily.html


Any comment on the above link and statements on the max size of ( English ) Holly? Anyone?
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Re: Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by James Parton » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:43 am

Michael,

If anywhere near the stated claim, this would be truly amazing. A Live Oak sized Holly! I would guess that this tree is probably a fused cluster of smaller trees that have become one over the many years of it's life. I could hardly imagine a truly single trunked tree anywhere near or even half this size. But, even as a fused or multiple, it is still very noteworthy.

I seem to have read that is was recently damaged or destroyed by a storm. The tree is/was touted to be the largest English Holly in Great Britain.

Thanks for the lead.

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Re: Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by KoutaR » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:22 am

James,

There are so tall hollies in the Tropics, at least in southeast Asia, but for me it is hard to believe English holly could become so tall. I have never heard or read. The tallest holly in the British Tree Register is 22.5 meters and the thickest 1.3 m DBH.

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Re: Lake Julian Hollies.

Post by James Parton » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:31 am

Kouta,

22.5 m is no slouch and I have never seen an American Holly here that is 1.3 meters in diameter, though it is probably possible.
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