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Apalachicola National Forest

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During my vacation last week to Panama City Beach, Ian Tench and I rode through Apalachicola National Forest into Tate's Hell State Forest. I will discuss Tate's Hell in an upcoming post and will concentrate on ANF here. Thursday, Ian and I headed southward via SR 12 from Bristol Florida later accessing SR 379 and SR 69. This route is classified as a scenic byway and offers excellent views of Longleaf Pine Savannahs and swampy areas. We also visited Camel Lake and hiked a mile or so around it checking out the forests there. I was astounded by the Longleaf while Ian was astounded by the size of the biting flies! This trip gave me my really first good look at the Longleaf Pine and it's forest type. I discovered its growth stages. Grass, Bottlebrush, Sapling and Mature. While I have seen Longleaf Before ( Planted specimens at the Biltmore Estate ) and Lowland Larry Tucei gave me one of those huge cones from one in Mississippi, this was the first intimate look at them in their real homeland. I also found the openness of the forest unique. Here we have Longleaf, and in some areas Slash Pine, with an occaisional hardwood tree thrown in with a nearly open understory. Wiregrass and Palmetto dominate the forest floor. They are also numerous wildflowers. The NPS has controlled burns here since this is supposed to be a fire controlled type of forest. I am sure nature occasionally has a hand in it too.

Many areas in the forest had a very natural appearance but some areas of Longleaf has been planted plantation-style. That is in long rows. While I agree in re-planting longleaf and getting the species to a more prominent position again, I just wonder if they can find a way to plant trees more at random? Planting them in straight lines is probably easier but can be hardly called natural.

Camel Lake has quite a few small cypress trees along it's shores. I suspect them to be Pondcypress. By what I have read they are more common than Baldcypress in this part of Florida. I don't really know how to tell them apart.

Here are two Longleaf Pines I measured near Camel Lake. The first is 79.2 feet tall and 5' 6" cbh. The second 56.1 feet tall and 5' 11 1/4" cbh. It seems that few trees here reach 100 feet and I would say that only a rare one would exceed 110. At least in the small amount of forest I visited. The forest is very young in many places, but according to sources on the web the forest dates back into the 1930s so they have to be some trees around dating to that time.

It's still cool seeing pines with cones nearly the size of footballs!

Tate's Hell comes Next!

James
by James Parton
Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:43 pm
 
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One of Jerseys largest White Oaks facing the chainsaw?

The Woodcrest Country Club in Cherry Hill NJ has recently been sold to a developer and is to be replaced with low income housing. Right in the center of this property is a fine white oak. 17'5" CBH, 85' tall. There was a similar tree about 20 years ago that got a lot of attention in the same area and actually kept a Wal-Mart from developing the site it was on. There was a large petition and protesters. Unfortunately afterwards someone girdled the tree and killed it out of revenge. Does anyone have any advice on getting attention brought to this tree? Ill post the links below to the aforementioned stories as well as a photo.

http://cherryhill.patch.com/groups/editors-picks/p/woodcrest-country-club-sold-to-developer

http://articles.philly.com/1994-01-26/news/25823185_1_wal-mart-spokesman-wal-mart-stores-oak-tree
by John Harvey
Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:36 pm
 
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Huge, ancient, Sycamore discoverd + several 140'+ trees.

I routinely use Google Earth in my exploring for large and tall trees. Sometimes I will even drive the route I'm taking in streetview first. Yesterday morning I found a forest along Oldmans Creek in Salem County away from the beaten path. When I explored later in the day I found the tallest trees I've found so far in South Jersey. Several 140'+ Tulip Poplars, Most in the 143'-145' range.
I also found an ancient Sycamore, almost completely hollow but still thriving, I measured it at 22'3" CBH, 65' tall. I believe it to be one of the oldest trees in New Jersey. Obviously there is no way to tell the age at this point but this tree just feels old. It has a tunnel completely through it large enough for one to duck and walk under and the trunk hollows out upward to a view of the sky. This particular tree happened to be in the background of a photo someone had added to GE and I spotted it. It was at one point a field grown tree, now surrounded by small bushes and trees. Has anyone else used Google earth to search?
by John Harvey
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:42 am
 
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Great Sycamores of New Jersey, Pennsylvania (Photo gallery)

There are a couple notable omissions here but I've tried to visit them all over the past year or so. In the descriptions I've listed various information; the circumference at breast height, history, and height if available. Ill add to this post as more trees are visited and will add more heights now that I have the proper equipment to take them. Enjoy.
by John Harvey
Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:04 am
 
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Re: big tulip trees

Wow, interesting topic just because I asked about big Tulip Trees in New Jersey. Yes technology has improved our lives somewhat but I get tired of seeing everybody with the fanciest cell phones and everybody on Facebook just to talk about the most mundane things. I think my brother, my wife and I are the only ones with "regular" cell phones. We don't want or need anything else.
by tclikesbigtrees
Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:55 am
 
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big tulip trees

This tulip tree in Haddonfield is the biggest one that I have seen in New Jersey. I know there are other big ones around that I haven't seen. Tulip trees are one of my favorites and I was wondering what big tulip trees that others have seen in NJ other then this one.

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by tclikesbigtrees
Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:00 pm
 
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Re: big tulip trees

This tree in Salem county was in my opinion the largest tulip in Jersey and maybe the oldest until it fell last year. The tree was never really documented or even recognized except by a couple locals who knew of it.
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by John Harvey
Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:55 pm
 
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Re: big tulip trees

Here are a few more from the PA/Jersey area of note. The PA champ at the Tyler Arboretum in Media is really worth the drive to see.

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by John Harvey
Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:06 pm
 
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big tulip tree in Atlantic County, NJ

Since I live in Atlantic County, I figured I would show something from Atlantic County. As far as I can tell, this is the largest Tulip Tree in Atlantic County. It is 16' 10" CBH. It is at a Christmas tree farm just outside of Hammonton. Unfortunately there aren't any huge trees here, but there are some that are pretty big, none the less.
by tclikesbigtrees
Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:53 pm
 
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Re: Richmond: Hollywood Cemetery

That is a big holly indeed!
by Chris
Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:54 pm
 
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Re: Richmond: Hollywood Cemetery

Here are some photos, of the southern pine species that I can't identify, tulip poplar, sycamore, and bald cypress. Nothing spectacular, just nice trees in a beautiful spot, about 150 years old. Really, an amazing scenic spot, overlooking the James River. A must see for Ents visiting Richmond VA.
by adam.rosen
Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:53 am
 
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Re: Richmond: Hollywood Cemetery

Since, it seems, there are so many nice trees in cemetaries, it would be interesting to produce a coffee table book showing the very best- with a compartive study of the cemetaries of North America. Often the gravestones are very interesting too- as sculpture so the book could show both the great trees and great gravestones. Life and death and art. Perhaps something like this could be a NTS project.
Joe
by Joe
Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:16 am
 
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Re: big tulip trees

Barry,
Thanks, your right, Deerfield UMC is on rt 77 I think. I've jumbled my denominations.
As for the tree in/near Elsinboro, last time I stopped to measure it an old lady drove up from a house down the street and was concerned. She said her dad had a house next to the tree in the 30s' and 40s' and she used to play in the tree when she was a kid and was afraid I was going to cut it down. I had to re assure her. Anyhow its a nice tree worth seeing.
by John Harvey
Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:08 am
 
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Re: big tulip tree in Atlantic County, NJ

The pictures that I first posted were from spring 2012. Yesterday we went back to there to get a Christmas tree for us. Since we were there, I decided that I would take a close up picture of the big Tulip Tree. So here is a close up. There are a couple of other big ones close to the house, but not as big as this one.
by tclikesbigtrees
Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:13 pm
 
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strange tree in south Jersey

Has anyone seen such a strange tree as this? The tree has a huge tumor (as I would call it) on it. The tree is located on the Black Horse Pike in Williamstown area.
by tclikesbigtrees
Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:38 am
 
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Re: strange tree in south Jersey

Looks like a black oak with a big burl.
by Steve Galehouse
Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:57 am
 
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Re: strange tree in south Jersey

I too think its a big burl. The largest I've seen outside of California so far.
by John Harvey
Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:49 pm
 
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big Post Oaks in south Jersey

I am used to seeing small Post Oaks. So when I was walking through a wooded area near Batsto Village back in October, I was surprised to see a big Post oak. As I was looking around, I ended up seeing 5 big Post Oaks. They range from 8' 1" to 10' 2" CBH. As far as all of New jersey is concerned, I don't have anything to compare them to. There isn' t a Post Oak on the New Jersey champion tree website. Has anybody else seen any that big or bigger? Here are 2 pictures of the biggest of them.
by tclikesbigtrees
Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:49 am
 
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Re: big Post Oaks in south Jersey

TC,

Nice finds! Here are some photos of a big Post Oak at Simpsonwood (near Atlanta, GA), where the joint rendezvous between Tree Climbers International and NTS took place this year. I measured CBH as 11'11".

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Matt
by Matt Markworth
Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:25 pm
 
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Re: big Post Oaks in south Jersey

Tom,
Nice trees. This is the largest Post Oak I've been able to find myself in South Jersey. Its in Knights Park in Collingswood. 16ft CBH.
by John Harvey
Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:23 pm
 
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another big south Jersey tree

While I am at it, here is a picture of a big double Southern Red Oak in the same wooded area as the trees in my previous post with a huge fungus next to it.
by tclikesbigtrees
Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:02 am
 
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BEAR SWAMP NJ old growth Part 2/winter exploration photos

I just wanted to post a few pictures of my 2nd trip to bear swamp old growth forest today. The going was tough yet again but slightly easier than it was this past summer due to the overgrowth not being as bad. The best find of the day was a 15' CBH Tulip Tree and one of the gnarliest I've seen. It had a twist in the upper trunk at 50' up where it was still about 14' around. Another highlight was the majestic Atlantic White Cedar. The first two photos are of big oaks I saw on the drive back. Enjoy.

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by John Harvey
Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:51 pm
 
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Re: BEAR SWAMP NJ old growth Part 2/winter exploration photo

Will,
They were in the 90-100ft range, pretty tall for the species. The CBH on the larger trees ranged between 7 and 8 feet which is also very large. Its rare to see them anymore than 6' around. At least here in Jersey. The tree below is the largest known I believe. Its 9'6" CBH but only 70' tall. Its not far from where I found these in the same county (Cumberland).
by John Harvey
Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:37 pm
 
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Re: possible Giant Sequoia in Salem County

Very nice! Far taller than any I have seen in the east.

Will
by Will Blozan
Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:28 pm
 
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Re: possible Giant Sequoia in Salem County

I think the biggest one I've ever seen was growing up near the great bear sand dune right off of lake Michigan. It was maybe 2/3rds that size 20 years ago.
by Rand
Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:19 pm
 
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