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Pitch, Shortleaf and VA Pines compared

Hello, ENTS. I'm back, sort of.
After a couple months of talking about it, I've finally put together this slideshow and video about Pitch Pine, Shortleaf Pine and Virginia Pine in the NJ Pine Barrens.
Hope you enjoy it, or even find it interesting.
I put text on the screen that asks you to please read the description. So here it is:
Pitch Pine and Shortleaf Pine are very common in the Pine Barrens. Virginia Pine can be found in a few scattered areas, but is very common in those few areas.

I took samples of cones and needles from trees and branches on the ground. They can be seen in the slideshow/video. All cone measurements are of open cones.

Pitch Pine cones and needles- measurements:
From the samples I measured, the cones averaged 2¼" wide by 2" high. The largest cones were 2¾" wide by 3" high.
Most of the needles were between 4" and 5" long, with some being 5¼" long. They are in bundles of three.

Shortleaf Pine cones and needles- measurements:
From the samples I measured, the cones averaged 1¼" wide by 2½" to 2¾" high.
Most of the needles were 2½" to 3" long. They are in bundles of 2.

Virginia Pine cones and needles- measurements:
From the samples I measured, the cones averaged 1¾" wide by 1¾" high.
Most of the needles were 1½" to 1¾" long. They are in bundles of 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg8HTN5yQmk
Barry
by Barry Caselli
Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:20 pm
 
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Virginia Pine and Shortleaf Pine

ENTS,
Last Monday, the 8th, I got out of the farm early, and took a ride just a couple miles to the north to photograph trees (no measuring or anything). In fact I didn't even get out of my truck. In that area, the Virginia and Shortleaf Pines outnumber the Pitch Pines, so I wanted some pictures. I love Pitch Pines and Shortleaf Pines, and the Virginia Pines look a lot different, but I like them too. The pictures are here:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2055077&id=1345466520&l=2bb7f2debe
Jenny has already seen the album, but I don't know how many members are on Facebook. So check it out. I do a lot of photographic trips when I can. The exact location is mentioned in the description of the photo album.

Barry
by Barry Caselli
Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:19 am
 
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Giant Tuliptree, Hammonton, NJ

Recently I found out that my brother has gotten himself interested in big trees. Yesterday I went for a ride with him to see some trees in local places. I also showed him a few. Here is a giant Tuliptree that we measured to 14'10" CBH give or take a couple inches. Man, what a tree. The ugly guy is me.
This is a residential street tree, but bigger than any other in the town, at least that we know of. We couldn't figure out how it got there.
by Barry Caselli
Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:51 am
 
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Batsto trees pictures

I have a ton of pictures of the trees that were taken down at Batsto, from closeups to full views. And with most of the trees I took a picture of my father in front of each one. Somewhere I have a piece of paper with all the circumferences written down. When I find this piece of paper I will sort the pictures a little and post the best of each tree.
by Barry Caselli
Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:14 pm
 
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The Keeler Oak

This is a White Oak in Mansfield Township, Burlington County, NJ. I first went to see it aproximately one year ago. At the time I did not measure it. But these pictures are from that day. A couple days ago I took my brother to see it. We measured it, and the CBH was 22' 5".
Here's the page from the township website:
http://www.mansfieldtwp.com/History/keeler.php

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by Barry Caselli
Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:46 pm
 
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Delaware Cypress Country

The one reason I want to go down to Delaware some day is to visit a Baldcypress swamp. Here's a postcard I just got at an antique shop just down the road from here. I'm showing both sides of the card. Maybe it's from the 70s or so.

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by Barry Caselli
Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:43 pm
 
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South Jersey's wild Bald Cypress

A couple weeks ago a Youtube friend of mine went on an expedition to find the only known Bald Cypress tree in New Jersey believed to have NOT been planted by man. I had given him instructions based on what I had read in two different books.
Here is his report, with many pictures: http://members6.boardhost.com/spanish2/msg/1327284428.html

Meanwhile, today was forecast to be sunny with a perfect sky. When I got up in the morning, I found that to be true, so I headed out on a road trip, which was to include a search for the cypress. After arriving at the Beaver Swamp Wildlife Management area in Cape May County, I studied my map and the instructions I had gotten from my books, and then went into the woods. I found the tree in 10 minutes or so. Once I knew where it was, I could see it from almost everywhere, including where I parked my car. I did not measure it. At the time I was thinking that I had measured it in the past. But I'm not sure now. Witmer Stone's book from 1910 says it's 55 feet tall with a circumference of 7' 4 1/2". The other book I have is from the 1980s and says it's "about 60 feet tall and 5 feet in circumference". Of course the tree didn't get smaller over a 73 year period! I believe it's at least as big as the 1910 measurement.

The trees I saw at Beaver Swamp were Pitch Pine, Loblolly Pine, American Beech, White Oak, Black Oak, Spanish Oak, Willow Oak, American Holly, Sweetgum, Atlantic White Cedar, Eastern Red Cedar and Swamp (Red) Maple. I think there is also Sourgum, Virginia Pine and Scarlet Oak there, but I wasn't 100% sure if I saw any.

My Youtube account has 9 recently-uploaded slideshows of photos I took on recent hikes. Later tonight or tomorrow I will make a slideshow of my little hike in Beaver Swamp and upload that to Youtube. But right now it isn't there.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MillerMeteor74 .

Barry
by Barry Caselli
Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:25 pm
 
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Re: South Jersey's wild Bald Cypress

Beaver Swamp Wildlife Management Area 2/6/2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqce6glPopw

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Uploaded by MillerMeteor74 on Feb 10, 2012
by Barry Caselli
Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:34 am
 
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Richmond: Hollywood Cemetery

My father and brother and I just came home from a 5 day trip down to Greeneville, Tennessee and back. We went to a funeral in Tennessee, but made several stops along the way down and on the way back to see big trees and historic places. The last stop on the way home was this cemetery. All through this cemetery there are giant American Hollies and Southern Magnolias. Plus there are a few giant Tuliptrees, Bald Cypresses, White Oaks and Willow Oaks. All except the white oaks were the biggest I had ever seen of each species. I will try and post some photos later, maybe tomorrow. I will also post about our other stops later. But I couldn't let this one wait.
If any of you is ever in or near Richmond, you must visit this cemetery! Some of the trees were mind-blowing, to me. I think my brother read about the cemetery in the Remarkable Trees book (which I think is an awesome book).
P.S.- none of us brought any tapes to measure with. We never gave it a thought. But as far as I know all the big trees in this cemetery are inventoried, and who knows, maybe they have been measured. I don't know.
Barry
by Barry Caselli
Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:36 am
 
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Big (and healthy) Hemlock in Salem, NJ

A few weeks ago I was exploring the Baptist cemetery in Salem with a friend and found a beautiful Eastern Hemlock with no adelgid on it at all. It's one of the biggest Hemlocks I've ever seen that I can remember, and it's not going to be dying any time soon. Yeah! I'll see if I can attach pictures to this post.
by Barry Caselli
Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:08 pm
 
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Big old sassafras in a cemetery

On February 17, 2009 I measured this sassafras at 10'6" CBH. It was very much alive, but it was in decline. It was in Greenmount Cemetery, Hammonton, Atlantic County, NJ.
In September of 2010 I went back and discovered that it was gone.
I've never seen another one bigger than this.
I can't remember if I've shared this before or not.
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by Barry Caselli
Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:37 pm
 
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Re: Old Growth report, Bear Swamp East explored w/pictures

I enjoyed that report thoroughly. I've driven down the roads that are near it many times but have never gone in.
by Barry Caselli
Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:30 pm
 
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Big old roadside Buttonwood

This tree was on CR619, Glassboro Road, east of Commissioners Pike in Upper Pittsgrove Township, Salem County. To me it was the most amazing and beautiful Buttonwood I had ever seen. I probably took these photos close to 10 years ago. I went back in recent years to take digital photos and the tree was gone. I discussed this in an earlier post by John Harvey (or was it a post by my brother? I forget.). Unfortunately I never got to measure it.
This was right near an 18th century house I was interested in.
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by Barry Caselli
Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:10 am
 
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Re: Richmond: Hollywood Cemetery

I didn't realize anyone had responded to this post.
In January of 2013 we had to drive through Virginia again, so we made it a point to stop at this cemetery again. This time we measured some of the trees.
We measured the holly seen in the picture I originally posted. That came out to be 8'4½" cbh.
We also measured a Bald Cypress at 14'11½" cbh, a Southern Magnolia at 14'1½" cbh, a Tuliptree at 19'11½" cbh, and a Willow Oak at 20'1" cbh.
These are shown in the attached pictures.
We also measured a few other trees.
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by Barry Caselli
Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:19 pm
 
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Re: BEAR SWAMP NJ old growth Part 2/winter exploration photo

John,
That's awesome you got in there. I've been wanting to get in there for a long time.
As for Atlantic White Cedar, I see it growing everywhere, along just about every river and stream, and in or around wetlands all over the Pine Barrens. I have read that most remaining stands of AWC that exist are in the NJ Pine Barrens. I have been in cedar swamps hundreds of times, and usually they look just like what is seen in your pictures, though the trees aren't as tall or as big. I've never seen any of the size you describe there. I have taken hundreds of photos in cedar swamps, but it seems I have taken very few pictures looking up into the canopy. Okay, I just found one that I took at Brendan Byrne State Forest during my one and only hike there a couple years ago.
Oh, by the way, that photo you have labeled as fungus is sphagnum moss, which seems to be in nearly every wetland, except the marshes along the rivers and on the coast.
Also those 2 oaks you posted are awesome!
By the way, AWC is one of my favorite species of tree, along with Pitch Pine and some others.
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by Barry Caselli
Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:07 pm
 
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possible Giant Sequoia in Salem County

In late winter or early spring of 2013 I was driving through Pittsgrove Township, Salem County, and saw this tree in someone's front yard. At the moment that I saw it out of the corner of my eye I dismissed it as a red cedar, but then I got a good look at it, and I'm thinking to myself "What in the world is that?". Then I figured it out, that it's probably a sequoia. Then I was in awe of it. Then on a nice day in April I took these pictures of it.
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by Barry Caselli
Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:19 pm
 
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Ruined wild cherry in a cemetery, Salem County

During 2013 I helped some friends on a project of restoring/cleaning up an old neglected cemetery in Salem County, NJ (over an hour from home), which was the worst one I had ever seen. It hadn't been maintained by the church that owns it in many years. Plus the neighbors had built storage sheds next to it, and within the boundaries of it. Junk and trash ended up in and around those sheds, which later rotted and fell down.
When we started there I noticed a few really tall impressive trees. They weren't necessarily that big. One was a wild cherry that was one of the most impressive I had ever seen. It had a couple dead leaders that needed to be cut off. I told the lady in charge of the cemetery restoration that those two leaders would have to come off eventually. I helped in the cleanup of the cemetery many times.
Just a few weeks ago I was in the area so I stopped in, since it's been a year or so. To my horror I found that someone had cut off those bad leaders on that cherry tree, but did it improperly, simply making a cut downward. The falling leader/branch took all the bark off the side of the tree with it. Since then it has begun to rot already. The lady in charge of the cleanup knows who did it. She said he did some other bad things there, in the name of helping out. This could have so easily been prevented!
It's just unbelievable.
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by Barry Caselli
Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:29 pm
 
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Re: giant forest grown trees logged by neighbor

For what it's worth, greenent22, I am horrified as well, and understand your post completely. I would feel exactly as you do if I were there. I'm sure I would type up a similar post to this forum about it. Wow. I just don't believe it.
by Barry Caselli
Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:13 pm
 
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Huge Buttonwood in Egg Harbor City

In the ghost town of Gloucester Furnace in the north part of Egg Harbor City, NJ there are 3 houses. In the side yard of one of those houses stands this enormous Buttonwood. It's the largest that I can remember ever seeing in Atlantic County. Unfortunately no one ever seems to be home at that house, or maybe I have always been there at the wrong time.
This tree, along with some bits of slag on the ground, are basically all that remain of the town or village of Gloucester Furnace.
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by Barry Caselli
Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:42 am
 
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Re: Huge Buttonwood in Egg Harbor City

At the ghost town of Martha Furnace in Wharton State Forest in Burlington County there is an old Buttonwood, but it was burned out in a forest fire a long time ago. It is still alive though. The part sticking up on the left is the living part.
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by Barry Caselli
Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:13 am
 
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Re: Measuring the 8 greatest White Oaks of New Jersey

I was in that area of the state yesterday, taking advantage of the bright sun and blue sky. I knew I was near the Clement Oak, so I made that a part of my itinerary. I had previously located it using the Bing Bird's Eye View, and I was surprised at how easily I found it. I took several pictures.
Fortunately my camera has a wide enough angle of view to capture the whole tree without any of it getting cut off.
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by Barry Caselli
Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:52 am
 
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Healthy older Hemlock, Cumberland County

A few weeks ago I and some friends were looking for a lost family burial ground on the property of an 18th Century Farmstead that is now a State Park. This is in Cumberland County, near the Salem County line.
We had been given a tip of where to look. The first thing I noticed were two trees that seemed out of place.
The two trees turned out to be Norway Spruce and Eastern Hemlock. The gravesite was enclosed in a stone wall in 1908. In my opinion the two trees were planted in 1908 as well. They are both strong and healthy, and there's no sign whatsoever of HWA on the Hemlock.
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by Barry Caselli
Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:25 am
 
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Big Hemlock found in Salem County, NJ

Today I was out looking for old houses and anything else that I might want to photograph, when I found this big old hemlock in someone's side yard. It's got to be the biggest I've seen in South Jersey. It's in Quinton Township, very near the Cumberland County line. I thought I was seeing things. I saw it as I was driving by, and had to back up for another look. Then I took a couple of pictures out my rear side window. It appeared healthy also.
Barry
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by Barry Caselli
Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:22 pm
 
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