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Re: Tall European trees


Indeed these chestnuts are big. The trunkvolume is perhaps larger than of the largest Live Oaks, but the branchvolume is probably less, although the 39 ft chestnut has a very large crown for the species. I suppose the total woodvolume will be over 85 cubic m (3000 cubic feet), perhaps around 4000, but I did not try a volume-measurement. Most chestnuts have smaller crowns, their branches often snap off while having less strong wood than Live Oaks.

The same with the European oaks, the largest have a larger trunkvolume than Quercus virginiana but less branchvolume.
Here two photos of a Sessile Oak (Quercus petraea) at Croft Castle, England. Bob van Pelt estimated its woodvolume as 3800 cubic feet while visiting the UK in 2006. See his report at the ENTS website in the pages on Europe. The height is 35 m (114,8 ft), cbh is 8,6 m (28,2 ft).

by Jeroen Philippona
Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:19 pm
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Seiberling Nature Realm, Summit County Ohio


Today I quickly and briefly visited this park, which was once part of the F. A. Seiberling (Goodyear Tire and Rubber founder) Estate. The park has a very nice interpretive nature center as well as some cultivated grounds, but most of the park is natural forest. The park is contiguous and continuous with Sand Run Metropark, about which Randy Brown and I reported last Fall. The weather was exceptional--in the low 80's and sunny.

As usual in my area, topography determines tree height. I found a nice tulip-tree on top of a ridge at 136.5' x 11' 8''----this is about the best any species in the area will do on high or level ground. A short distance away, starting at the bottom of a deep ravine, another tulip reached 153.7', at what appeared to be a smaller cbh. Farther on down the ravine, a hemlock measured to 140.4'---this is the tallest hemlock in the the northern part of Ohio to my knowledge.

Later when I returned home I examined maps and aerial photos, and I think the 140.4' hemlock is actually on Sand Run Park land, which would push the R.I. for that park to 134'+.
136,5' tulip Tulip 136.jpg 136.5 tulip top Tulip 136 top.jpg
153.7 tulip(center in distance) Tulip 153.jpg
140.4 hemlock Hemlock 140.jpg

by Steve Galehouse
Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:54 pm
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The Final Chapter


Today my friend District Manager Tim Zelazo and I met at MTSF to complete the inventorying of the 150s. I needed to remeasure the Oneida Pine to insure it hadn't lost any crown. If so, we would have 103 confirmed 150s in MTSF. It hadn't lost an inch. At 152.5 feet, it has crown to spare.

On the way to the Oneida Pine, I showed Tim Magic Maple. He liked the tree a lot. An image of Tim and Magic Maple follows.


Threading our way through rock formations, we approached an area of old hemlocks. The following image is of the passage through.


The next image show Tim next to a 10.1-ft around, 121.3-ft tall, 250-year old hemlock. Way cool.


The final image shows a 103.9-ft tall yellow birch I measured. Not bloody bad.


Oh yes, we found another 150-ft white pine near the end of the historic 1700s Shunpike route. It becomes the Robert Campanile Pine. It is 9.3-ft around and 150.5 ft tall. That, folks, is number 104 confirmed. Mohawk rules. There are 9 trees that could grow into 150s by the end of this growing season, which would put MTSF #1 in the Northeast. Blue paint at the base of the Campanile Pine reminded us of a planned timber sale that was halted when MTSF became part of the 9th forest reserve. I felt immense satisfaction. This tree and one higher on the ridge named Lonesome Pine, also a 150, were to be part of a softwood timber sale. However, I was allowed to draw the boundaries of Reserve #9, which includes the cluster of north end pines. It would have been tragic to have lost them.

by dbhguru
Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:18 pm
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NYBG Rock Garden Rocks!

These beautiful things are popping out of the ground at the NYBG Rock Garden!

Download with Keepvid

by Jenny
Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:35 pm
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Big Tulip


Last Saturday before going to work I decided to take a trip to scout for turkeys as well as measure a huge tulip tree. The area is just north of the town of Chesterfield, SC.
There is also a grove of river birches on the property. I don't think we have much data on the species so I measured a couple. The largest came in at 4'9" cbh and 77.1' tall.


Next it was on to the tulip tree. It grows out over a pond so I couldn't get limb spread.

cbh 16'
height 82.5'

I did measure the lowest limb with the rangefinder out to a distance of 11.5 yards.



by Tyler
Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:28 am
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Secrest Arboretum

[album][/album]Secrest Arboretum is a pretty arboretum outside of Wooster Ohio in the north central region of the state. Terrain is gently rolling.
Nice collection of exotic conifers and nice landscaping in general. Pictures are from fall 2006.


White pines:

Dawn Redwoods:


Japense Maple and some Birches
by Rand
Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:38 pm
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Ladybird Johnson Redwood Grove, CA

WNTS Forum Members-
Having a free day in the northcoast of California, I chose to revisit a number of locations once quite familiar to me, including a hike into the Ladybird Johnson Redwood Grove near Orick, California.
To encourage fellow WNTS-ers, I used a point and shoot camera, an old laptop, and Microsoft software (MS Word, Internet Explorer), to illustrate how quick and easy it is to capture an afternoon outing or a weekend hike.
It's spring somewhere, time to get out and rejoice in our local woods and forests!
by Don
Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:43 pm
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Re: Oak Trees are awesome

I know I've posted this poem several times, but never has it been more apt! Seeing this post describing the impossible feats of the oak while cherry blossoms are blooming madly makes it too tempting:

The oak tree.
Not interested
In cherry blossoms.

-Basho (1644 - 1694, Japan)
by Jenny
Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:55 am
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Re: Natives in the landscape

I have two white buds in the front yard flanking the house. The first three years they performed so poorly that I determined to take up and replace them with something "Prettier". Life got in the way and next thing I knew summer was here so - no dig. But next spring... I'm I glad I waited!! They are the stars of my little front yard arboritum. They bud and flower while the weeping cherry, dogwood, crabapples, cherries, and some viburnums come and go. They literally hum with bees when the flowers open - there is a honeybee on every flower!
They taught me a lesson on life.
by Karen Davenport
Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:28 am
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In the Time of Trees

In the Time of Trees

A photo essay by

Magnum Photographer Stuart Franklin has spent a decade exploring the beauty of trees and the unique place they occupy in man's world

Read more:,29307,1731606,00.html
by edfrank
Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:59 pm
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Re: Hickory Nut Gorge Curiosities


The larch-like tree, if evergreen, has to be a true cedar, Cedrus. If is is in fact deciduous but not a larch, then golden-larch, Pseudolarix amabilis, which has longer foliage and larger cones than a true Larix. The willow is Salix matsudana, an Asian species.

by Steve Galehouse
Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:32 pm
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American Woodcock

American Woodcock

Scolopax minor

Today I had an interesting encounter with an American Woodcock along side of a dirt road. The bird was slowly bouncing up and down, preforming for me as I watched from inside of my vehicle. I moved teh van several times back ad forth, but this did not really seem to bother the bird. The are also known as a Timberdoodle. They are particulary well know for their mating dances that begin shortly after dusk in the mating season. This was late afternoon and somewhat early for the mating season in this area.

Here are a few photos I took today. and some links to find out more about the bird species.





Edward Frank


The American Woodcock (Scolopax minor) is a small chunky shorebird species found primarily in the eastern half of North America. Woodcock spend most of their time on the ground in brushy, young-forest habitats, where the birds' brown, black, and gray plumage provides excellent camouflage...

Woodcocks have stocky bodies, cryptic brown and blackish plumage and long slender bills. Their eyes are located on the sides of their heads, which gives them 360° vision. Unlike in most birds, the tip of the bill's upper mandible is flexible.

As their common name implies, the woodcocks are woodland birds. They feed at night or in the evenings, searching for invertebrates in soft ground with their long bills. This habit and their unobtrusive plumage makes it difficult to see them when they are resting in the day. Most have distinctive displays known as "roding", usually given at dawn or dusk.

All woodcocks are popular gamebirds; the island endemic species are often quite rare already due to overhunting. The pin feathers of the woodcock are much esteemed as brushtips by artists, who use them for fine painting work. The pin feather is the most recently formed feather and found at the joint in the middle of the wing.

Cornell Lab of Ornithology - All About Birds

site includes photos, sounds of calls, and video.
Call of the woodcock:

by edfrank
Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:48 pm
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Re: Prevention of fungal rot in trees


You are right on both counts--it would have prevented the rot, and yes, it is difficult to apply and re-apply to places high up, and often impractical. I have applied it with sprayers to fairly high places. The spray is hard to direct accurately, so much is wasted that way, but rather than take any risk climbing a tree unnecessarily, I have sprayed. But in a few cases, I have climbed. Also, of the two brands I used (as I said before, now discontinued) the one by Bonide gummed up the sprayer fairly quickly. The one by Dragon worked much better in a sprayer, but after each session, the sprayer would have to be thoroughly cleaned. These companies now offer a liquid copper fungicide whose active ingredient is something called "copper soap." I don't clearly understand what this is or whether it would work. It might be worth a try. But I would order the Camelot brand instead. Last time I checked it was offered only in Gallon sizes, which is awkward--it would take a long, long time to use that much, but may be worth getting some nevertheless. I still have a good supply of the old Dragon formula in one pint bottles. I don't know how Camelot would perform in a sprayer.

But as for repeat applications--I am not sure just what is needed. I have not done the kind of careful experiments with controls to determine exactly what amount of re-application is needed. I do know that after having treated several dozens of trees, I sometimes missed a few for a re-application, and noticed that one or two may have become infected.

Many pruning cuts never become infected, at least not for several years. Some of these may become covered over by new wood relatively quickly--maybe in 5 to 7 years. One application may be enough to delay and effectively prevent infection in those cases. Only a small percent of small pruning cuts--three inches or less--become infected, depending on the kind of tree and how fast it grows. But around my house, I treat those anyway--why take any risk?

Also, of course, sometimes trees can "wall off" the fungus for some period of time. So even if a pruning cut becomes infected, the tree may survive a long time. But as a timber cutter I have cut through many, many trees/logs, and it is my experience that the "walling off" ability of trees is limited, and often breaks down over time, especially where the entry point is large.

Let me add that this treatment works best on pruning cuts where it is applied "across the grain." Where the bark has been knocked off tree trunks and the wood grain is smooth and has not been cut across, it doesn't soak in or adhere so well, and more frequent applications may be best, depending on the type of wood.

But after a year or more without treatment, there is a chance that some fungus has entered the tree, and if that has happened, any beneficial effect is limited. If the wood has softened, I would expect the chance of any benefit to be nil or very small. I usually wait until the wood on any cut, or otherwise exposed wood, has dried out somewhat, but applying it within about 6 months is best.

by gnmcmartin
Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:04 pm
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Re: The tallest non-eucalypts of Tasmania


The tallest measured Athrotaxis selaginoides is the tree in your last link or one of the neighbouring big trees. There is a grove of about half dozen big Athrotaxis trees. There have been more, but some have been logged before the protection of the area. Cupressaceous wood is valuable.

Here two photos of Nothofagus cunninghamii . The first is one of the stoutest specimens I have seen. I measured a mean DBH of 225 cm. The second photo is of the crown of another specimen. The white flowered young trees on the edges are Eucryphia lucida . Both trees are located in northwest Tasmania in a wilderness area called Tarkine.

by KoutaR
Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:40 pm
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Rock Garden - NYBG

Spring blasting away at the NYBG Rock Garden. The weather during the previous week had been unseasonably warm. On one day temperatures reached 90!

Most of the work I did on my volunteer day was clearing away english ivy (Hedera helix) and ranuncula (Ranunculus repens) from around a beautiful young Japanese Maple (Acer palmatum) that had been planted in the Fall and 2 blooming camellia trees (not sure which species) which were planted a few weeks ago. (Of course, these pics are not in the video because after working several hours I just wanted to get away from that cove of the garden!)

by Jenny
Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:13 am
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Concord Mass. 130' white pine 4/11/10

Ok, the former king has been deposed, the tallest eastern Mass. 130' white in Northboro has been demoted to 125.2. Luckily Doug Bidlack suggested measuring a big white pine in Hapgood Wright Town Forest, Concord, Mass. Doug had measured it at 129' maybe a year and a half ago (Doug can provide details). We visited and measured the tree this morning, my best height was 130.35, I believe Doug got 130.5 from another angle. An interesting tree and certainly the most impressive I've set eyes on in eastern Mass. The CBH is 12.675', it's a single trunk up maybe 25 feet and then divides into 3 massive trunks. The tree stands alone in a wet area with a slope on one side. When I say alone I mean it's the only tree of significant magnitude in the area. There are no white pine near it, the ridge on one side is well populated with hemlock and a smattering of red oak.

Andrew Joslin
Jamaica Plain, MA
by AndrewJoslin
Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:34 pm
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Pitch, Shortleaf and VA Pines compared

Hello, ENTS. I'm back, sort of.
After a couple months of talking about it, I've finally put together this slideshow and video about Pitch Pine, Shortleaf Pine and Virginia Pine in the NJ Pine Barrens.
Hope you enjoy it, or even find it interesting.
I put text on the screen that asks you to please read the description. So here it is:
Pitch Pine and Shortleaf Pine are very common in the Pine Barrens. Virginia Pine can be found in a few scattered areas, but is very common in those few areas.

I took samples of cones and needles from trees and branches on the ground. They can be seen in the slideshow/video. All cone measurements are of open cones.

Pitch Pine cones and needles- measurements:
From the samples I measured, the cones averaged 2¼" wide by 2" high. The largest cones were 2¾" wide by 3" high.
Most of the needles were between 4" and 5" long, with some being 5¼" long. They are in bundles of three.

Shortleaf Pine cones and needles- measurements:
From the samples I measured, the cones averaged 1¼" wide by 2½" to 2¾" high.
Most of the needles were 2½" to 3" long. They are in bundles of 2.

Virginia Pine cones and needles- measurements:
From the samples I measured, the cones averaged 1¾" wide by 1¾" high.
Most of the needles were 1½" to 1¾" long. They are in bundles of 2.
by Barry Caselli
Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:20 pm
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More Sharptop


Here are more Sharptop Images. I call the first two Spirit Rocks.



The next shows old growth along the trail.


by dbhguru
Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:08 pm
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Videos from New Jersey

Videos of Trees and Forests from New Jersey

There are a number of videos on the web featuring trees and forests of New Jersey.

Barry Caselli Channel - Many videos have been posted by member Barry Caselli. The index for the Miler Meteor74's videos is Found here: Here are a couple of examples from the over 160 video Barry has posted in his channel as of this writing:

Part 1- Wharton State Forest: Pitch Pine and Shortleaf Pine in the sun
From: MillerMeteor74 | April 11, 2010 |
Just a beautiful day (though a bit warm) in a small section of Wharton State Forest on the north bank of the Mullica River. It's a dry, desert-like area with lots of reindeer lichen and heather.
This is of course in the New Jersey Pine Barrens.

Beautiful stunted pitch pines
From: MillerMeteor74 | January 09, 2010 |
First, I apologize for getting the date wrong again. I did the same thing in my last video- I said it was 2009. Anyway, I was hiking the orange trail (the nature trail) at Wharton State Forest today, and decided to stop off and check out these trees again. So while there I shot this video. After I was done hiking this trail I then got on the yellow trail, and did part of that, along with parts of a few dirt roads. This is of course in the New Jersey Pine Barrens. It's Washington Township, Burlington County.

Egg Harbor City woods, part 1
MillerMeteor74 — October 11, 2009 — Part 1 of a hike in the northern part of Egg Harbor City, NJ, not far from the lake. This is of course in the Ne... MillerMeteor74 — October 11, 2009 — Part 1 of a hike in the northern part of Egg Harbor City, NJ, not far from the lake. This is of course in the New Jersey Pine Barrens. The hike starts just east of the city line on Indian Cabin Road. We hike to a trail which is actually Antwerp Avenue on the map. Here's the aerial view on MSN: You can see where the hike starts, on Indian Cabin Road, just east of Bremen Avenue. If you look carefully you can just barely make out the faint green line, which is the Antwerp Avenue trail, where I turned left before shooting part 2

by edfrank
Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:22 pm
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Lake Minnewaska


Three more images of this exceptionally beautiful mountaintop lake. The Shawangunks are known for the climbing opportunities they offer. But ordinary, garden variety hiking is extremely rewarding in the Gunks. I don't know what the total old growth acreage is, but it is significant.




by dbhguru
Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:52 pm
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Re: Crabtree Falls


In a previous post I spoke of Crabtree Falls in Virginia’s George Washington NF. The falls are billed as the highest waterfall in the entire eastern United States. Heights of 1,000 to, 1,200 feet are quoted. The elevation change from top to bottom of the series of drops exceeds 1,300 feet. Most of the drop is by what most people would clearly accept as waterfall. I expect a conservative construction of the waterfall part of the 1,300+ feet is at least 900 feet. The highest single drop is about 400 feet – and looks it.

Old growth follows the waterfall corridor, but over much of the mountain complex logging was intensive. Consequently, there is no old growth bonanza to be reaped, but that seen along the falls corridor is satisfying. Chestnut oaks, tuliptrees, northern reds, and blackgum, all exceed ages of 250 years. I counted about 250 rings on one downed chestnut oak that had fallen across the trail and was cut.

The first image below shows the beginning of the falls complex. It is at the start of the trail.


The second image is of a majestic old tulip tree that is probably over 250 years old, if not older. I measured it to the impressive height of 153.6 feet. It is approximately 12 feet in girth.


The third image shows Monica and yours truly about about the midway point of the falls complex.


Spring wildflowers abound. The large white(pink) trillium was out in force.


An ancient blackgum posed for me along the trail. If there isn't 300 years in this tree, I'm a monkey's uncle.


I'm still puzzling over the height of Crabtree Falls. I think we have to take a measure of the horizontal distance between the top and bottom of a waterfall or cascade and compare it to the vertical drop in a percent slope kind of calculation for height to be meaningful. I'm not prepared to do that now. It will be saved as a project for the future.

by dbhguru
Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:22 pm
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Flattop, Peaks of Otter, Virginia


The sister peak to Sharptop is Flattop. At 4,001 feet above sea level, Flattop is the higher of the two peaks of Otter and the less crowded. The trail up from either side has large boulders and old growth. From the south side, you can see Sharptop. It is a dominant sight. The following image of Sharptop seen through blooming red maples looks like a Japanese painting. I took many shots. This was one of my favorites.


In the next image, Monica is seen through the combination of rocks and trees, a scene that dominates the Peaks of Otter.


by dbhguru
Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:30 pm
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Re: Blue Ridge Parkway, VA & NC -Future ENTS Projects


Are you really sure you want this to be a group or collaborative project rather than just a project of your own? You seem to have thought about what you want to do and are planning on doing the bulk of the work yourself.

How would you envision this collaborative effort be pursued? Would people go on trips and do reports for a particular section of the parkway? Would the data be compiled through emails or through a section of the BBS? I could create a project forum that would be public or even hidden except for project members.

Would the book include maps and photos as well as descriptions? Is there a particular format for reports that would be more appropriate than another? What information do you see being included when talking about a particular patch of old growth or gnarled forest?

Organization by mile markers is what I was thinking as well for dealing with this essentially linear feature. I would start by breaking down the parkway into smaller segments and compile what information is generally available for each segment. For example would pull a map of that segment. next step would be to generate a list of features found there. Trails, buildings, or other notable characteristics would cataloged. Then we could go back through the reports made to list previously and incorporate them into the information compilation for that particular section. Air photos and maps of particular features could be downloaded from the web and organized similarly.

If there are distinctive characteristics that can be mapped on the air photos, then these characteristics could be mapped and then ground truthed in the field on a future trip.

by edfrank
Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:06 pm
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Hickory Leaf as Ballerina

Here is a second entry on the theme of artistic impressions of new growth:

The leaf of a hickory is quite a complicated masterpiece of engineering. Not to diminish the miracle of any leaf coming back to life in the spring, I have watched hickory leaves in particular because of two trees that I have on my property and the ease with which I can see them open and mature. The bud seems to swell to three or four times the normal size as the protective scale begins to break under the pressure of the incipient leaf. And then you stare at something about the size of your index finger, a miniature rendition of something that will eventually have five to 9 leaves coming off a long stem, some of which may be as big as your hand.
What I have been seeing over the last few years as I watch this phenomenon is a ballerina squatted into a crouch on a stage with her hands completely enshrouding her head. Slowly she picks up her head and begins to move her arms down around her body. Moving into an upright position with arms curved around her side, her legs begin the rise until her full height is reached. And as the leaf on the hickory reaches its full length and size, the ballerina comes to life and begins a joyful dance across the stage.

Ed Nizalowski
Newark Valley, NY
by edniz
Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:18 pm
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Fundy Footpath - Part 2

Here are some more photos...
by mikekowalski
Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:50 pm
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