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Re: Very Large Rock Elm (Ulmus thomasii) in Merrickville

Hi Owen- What a beautiful Rock Elm! Thanks for sharing. Not familar much with this species or the city so I looked it up. I think you may have found one of the largest of its kind in Canada. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulmus_thomasii http://www.merrickvillehistory.org/walkingtour.html From the 2012 National Registry of Trees Rock Ulmus thomasii 1989 Cir -189, Height-100, Spread-85, Points- 310 MI Cass Co. Andrew & Noah
Sawyer Larry
by Larry Tucei
Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:17 pm
 
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Superior Municiple Forest

NTS-- The Superior Municipal Forest is comprised of 4,400 acres of forest and natural habitat, making it the third largest forest within a city in the nation. It is the best remaining example of a boreal forest (conifers and hardwood, including white and red pine, balsam, cedar, black spruce, white birch, and aspen) in the state of Wisconsin. The Pokegama River flows south out of Pokegama Bay and splits the Forest. The Pokegama River is really an arm of the Saint Louis River Estuary which flows out of Lake Superior. http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wetlands/cw/WLSup/index.asp?mode=detail&RecID=1E8E552DDC I spent about 3 hours walking around in one small portion of the eastern side of the Pokegama not far from the entrance to the Forest at a Hilltop that sloped downward to the river. A mile up the road was blocked by a crew replacing a culvert so I couldn’t get to where I wanted to be so I settled on the Hill. I talked to them and they said the larger White Pine were at the end of the road. They also told me that the western rode had some large Northern White Cedar. I will come back next year for a more in-depth search. White Cedar dominated the Hill tops with mixed Red Pine, Black Spruce, Balsam Fir, Big Toothed Aspen, and Northern White Cedar. The Whites were in the 80’ range Red Pine 70’s range, Aspen 60’s, and Cedar to 60’s. As I went down a draw toward the River the Aspen and Spruce became much taller. I measured one Aspen to 76.5’ and CBH of 5’ 5 “. I spied a really tall Black Spruce near the edge of the River and when I got to it I was like Whoa! This baby is the tallest Black Spruce I have ever seen. It reached 101’ with a CBH of 6’. Superior Municipal Forest is a real gem and is what the northern area of Wisconsin would have looked like in the past. I only touched the tip of the Iceberg here and look forward for a return visit to measure some of the larger White Pine and Cedar. N 46 40.074 W 92 07.492

Superior Municipal Forest sign.jpg White Pines.jpg Northern White Cedar.jpg Black Ash 1.jpg Black Ash 2.jpg White Spruce 4.jpg Black Spruce 3.jpg Black Spruce 2.jpg Black Spruce 1.jpg
by Larry Tucei
Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:23 pm
 
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Re: Superior Municiple Forest

Larry,

That black spruce is huge! It blows away any that I saw in NY. It seems like all of the far northern species grow much larger in Wisconsin and Michigan than in NY and New England.

The bark on those black ash seems kind of funny to me. Reminds me more of bigtooth aspen.

Jess
by Jess Riddle
Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:05 pm
 
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Re: Big Black Spruce

Owen,

Wow! You and Larry are rewriting the record books for Black Spruce.

The tree he posted on yesterday ( http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=132&t=5896 ) has nearly identical height/girth as the one that you found. It would be interesting to compare the average spreads. They would probably end up being AF co-champions.

Matt
by Matt Markworth
Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:15 pm
 
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Re: Big Black Spruce

Owen:
I never realized Black Spruce is such a majestic looking tree on a site that is not muskeg. Thanks for posting. Why don.t you post your measurements on the Trees database. Link is on sidebar of this site. One of the purposes of the database is to get tree dimensions over the entire range of the species. There are several entries from different parts of Canada and we need more.
Turner
by tsharp
Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:40 am
 
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Re: Big Red Spruce

That spruce is a beauty. I've measured quite a few red spruce in the Adirondacks. The larges girths are 90 to 100 inches, but trees of that size are very rare. I've measured heights to about 112 feet. So, your red spruce fits in nicely. In Massachusetts, I've measured red spruce to about 90 inches CBH. Heights have been to 120 feet, but most tall ones are between 100 and 110 feet. One tree, the Northeastern champion on Mount Greylock was at least 134 feet in height at the time it broke apart and fell.

Bob
by dbhguru
Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:19 pm
 
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Re: Black vs Red (vs White) Spruce

Well, that's helpful seeing them side by side. Reading vague, comparative generalities in a guide book never did much for me.
Also, I see I'm not the only one who's hit on the trick of using cycling gloves in moderately cold weather.
by Rand
Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:21 pm
 
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Re: Black vs Red (vs White) Spruce

Owen,

This is an excellent comparison of the three species of spruce. You makes excellent use of digital photography. Top notch. We thank you.

Bob
by dbhguru
Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:14 pm
 
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Re: Black vs Red (vs White) Spruce

Here is a photo from central Ontario with white spruce on the left, black spruce on the right. Black spruce seems to always 'cone up' at a much smaller size and/or age, and black spruce has a more pleasant aroma.
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by Steve Galehouse
Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:39 pm
 
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Toronto Icestorm Ontario

NTS,

I spent Christmas week in Toronto with my brother who lives there. While I was there, Toronto was hit by a disastrous icestorm, possibly the worst winter storm in the city's history. We were in the midst of the worst and longest blackout in Toronto's history. We had no power for 4 and a half days, over 110 hours, and temperature in the house fell below freezing. We had to wear heavy winter coats at Christmas dinner indoors! Power at my brother's house was out from Dec. 22 to Dec. 26. The tree destruction is by far the worst I have ever seen anywhere. About 1.2 inches of ice covered every twig of every tree and shrub, and we watched big limbs falling off the trees. There were trees and wires down in every street; I did not see a single hardwood tree that did not suffer severe damage - it is possible that Toronto has lost over 20% of its trees. The conifers, except some White Pines with big limbs, did better.At the height of the storm over 300,000 customers (about 1 million people) had no power, and many people suffered from hypothermia; at least 3 (possibly more) people died from carbon monoxide from improperly vented generators. We had a poorly designed fireplace that provided more feeble smoky, sooty light than heat. Every park, every street in the whole big city and surrounding area, had huge tree limbs down.

Tom Howard
by tomhoward
Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:29 pm
 
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Re: Classic White Oak (Quercus alba) near Vineland Station

See if you can get a spread on that beast. It appears to be 120'+ and 65-70' in height.
by bbeduhn
Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:32 pm
 
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Re: Trees or forests near St. Petersburg?

Mike,

Did you check the FL Champion tree website? You can search by county and I use it to get ideas for scouting trips. There are so many under-measured or never measured species you could get a start on some data...

http://tlhfor013.doacs.state.fl.us/championtrees.public/home.mvc/Index

Will
by Will Blozan
Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:57 pm
 
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Re: Ithaca, NY Ash

Elijah,

Yes, looks like black ash.

Jess
by Jess Riddle
Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:21 pm
 
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Re: ~250 ring count Rock Elm (Ulmus thomasii) near Crysler

Wow!! That is amazing a tree so small can be that old!!!!! Larry
by Larry Tucei
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:28 pm
 
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Re: Big White Spruce (Picea glauca) in Ottawa

Wow!! This tree virtually ties the NTS height record of 103.3'!

If this is the second tallest you've measured, what's the tallest?!

Matt
by Matt Markworth
Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:03 pm
 
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Re: White Pine (Pinus strobus) at Gillies Grove, Arnprior

Will,

No, the Nikon Forestry 550 does provide a sine-based height. Their follow-on unit, the Nikon Forestry Pro, gives both sine and tangent heights implemented as two and three point routines. The tangent routine is the three point one, but the 550 offers only the two point sine-based routine. The little triangle drawn on the side of both the 550 and the Forestry Pro is misleading for the two-point routine. It shows the distances to top, base, and the total angle between the lines. It connects the top and base points with a vertical line, and gives the length of the vertical line as the vertical separation between top and base. However, as you know, such a drawing isn't geometrically valid since there are actually two separate right triangles involved with different baselines used to solve the problem, so that the vertical distance between top and base needs to be separated into two offset vertical lines, one for the top and the other for the base. I suppose they thought the diagrammatic simplification was necessary or just easier to implement.

Bob
by dbhguru
Sun May 31, 2015 12:57 pm
 
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Re: White Pine (Pinus strobus) at Gillies Grove, Arnprior

Wow looks like an awesome grove! We certainly need more numbers from Canada.

Forgive my unfamiliarity with the Nikon 550 but the photo of the 141' height appears to be a tangent measurement? This would be the reason for the range of heights. Using the sine-based function is what will give the actual height. Were you taking distance readings to the top and base or just angles?

Thanks for the post!

Will
by Will Blozan
Sun May 31, 2015 9:32 am
 
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Re: White Pine (Pinus strobus) at Gillies Grove, Arnprior

Thanks Bob! Sure is nice to see some solid white pine numbers from Canada.

Will
by Will Blozan
Sun May 31, 2015 1:45 pm
 
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Re: White Pine (Pinus strobus) at Gillies Grove, Arnprior

Wow- That is some really tall White Pine for that far north. I'd almost bet somewhere up there is a 150' tree waiting to be measured. Larry
by Larry Tucei
Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:05 pm
 
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Re: White Pine (Pinus strobus) at Gillies Grove, Arnprior

Larry, Owen, Will, et. al.,

Arnprior, Ontario lies at about 45.5 degrees north latitude. Some of the big pines in the Porcupine Mtns, MI are at around 46.5 degrees. So long as there is a climatic influence from the Great Lakes, the trees can surprise us with their sizes. But, once away from the lake influence, heights drop.

I have measured white pines in Algonquin Provincial Park to around 130 feet. One tree was perhaps 136 feet. I had a hard time locating its base. The latitude was just under 46 degrees. I expect that some white pines in southern Ontario may make it to 150 feet. Finding them and setting the northern limit to different height thresholds is a very worthy project.

Bob
by dbhguru
Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:48 am
 
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Re: Two more big Red Spruce (Picea rubens)

I always enjoy lichens on trees.

Makes them seem older. Especially if they are older.
by mdvaden
Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:26 am
 
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Re: Two more big Red Spruce (Picea rubens)

Wrecsvp,

Any guess as to the age of these trees? They're beautiful, by the way.

In the Adirondacks, a red spruce of similar proportions could be 150 years old or more.

Also, are pines (red, white, or jack) present in the immediate area?

Elijah
by ElijahW
Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:32 am
 
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3 big red spruce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOIhHmJ08M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj0fclM5V3s

I climbed this red spruce, last year. It is higher than the norm and I have been meaning to measure a windfall next to it since then.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0B-fAaIEf1Y/VnWZgXwCO7I/AAAAAAAAHYg/eftcNBTPbS4/s640-Ic42/DSC09143.JPG

The windfall above is similar in size and since I could tape it, it would be some comparison to the one climbed. The rootball is in the background.

I was surprise than it taped a minimum of 93 feet with a 6 ft circum. The standing one was 6 ft 7 in circum.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J7m-L_a2B4o/VnWZiD_lSyI/AAAAAAAAHWo/7ME93--j_98/s912-Ic42/DSC09149.JPG

There were a couple of others in the same class but I didn't go over to check them.

These trees are surrounded by clear cut regen. I don't know why they were left. They are growing next to a brook so had constant water on a plain with sandy soil.
by Lucas
Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:09 pm
 
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Re: Impressively Stout Rock Elm (Ulmus thomasii) at Cavan

I admire your dedication to rock elm.
by Lucas
Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:42 pm
 
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Re: Big American Elm (Ulmus americana) in downtown Aylmer

https://goo.gl/7QnM5a

I noticed this one, lately. With the leaves off, it has amazing shape and looks. I should get pix.


https://goo.gl/IAtZwR

I also saw this good looking Norway around the corner.

https://goo.gl/ZYnjTv

Some idea of its height. Streetview makes it hard to get a good look at it.

It is funny how much more impressive Streetview makes trees.
by Lucas
Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:12 am
 
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