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Dendrochronology in Pop/Rock Music

This is a Toad the Wet Sprocket song called Rings. You don't see dendrochronology in music every day. I'm going to see them tonight.
by bbeduhn
Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:53 pm
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Mountains-to-Sea Trail @ Craven Gap

On Saturday, I spent 5 hours measuring in a fine second growth forest. It has many mature trees, some of great height. The elevation is 3000-3200 feet. It's mostly sloping. My 550 rangefinder couldn't penetrate as well as I'd like it to. The tulips are quite tall but I didn't get any spectacular readings on them. In November, I expect to top 150' on the tulips. The suprises were many forest grown walnuts and tall sourwoods. The tallest sourwood grows in an area thoroughly dominated by chestnut oaks, sourwood and mtn. laurel. This is an old forest.

Walnut Jungus nigra 102' 103'
White Ash Fraxinuss Americana 110' 115' 117' 120'
Black oak Quercus velutina 102.5'
White oak Quercus alba 112' 116'
Chestnut oak Quercus Montana 97' 105' 105'
White pine Pinus strobus 119'
Pignut hickory Carya glabra 123'
Mockernut hick Carya tomentosa 101.5' 107'
Black birch Betula lenta 77' 85.5'
Tuliptree Liriodendron tulipfera 115' 120' 121.5' 123' 123' 123' 125' 127' 127' 129' 130' 133'
Sourwood Oxydendrum arboreum 59' 59' 60' 61' 63' 66' 72' 81'

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White pine Pinus strobus 123' 10'7'' 131' 11'+
Shortleaf pine Pinus echinata 103'
Pitch pine Pinus Rigida 99'

I'm keeping a Ruker of the MTS Trail in the Asheville area. It is currently @ 120.4'. I haven't measured any sycamores yet and the tulips should yield much better results so it's just a preliminary figure for now. 130' is a possibility but is doubtful.
by bbeduhn
Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:12 am
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Re: Boogerman Pine and Sag Branch Tuliptree update 7-11-2011

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The Boog, looking fairly nondescript.

Sag Brach Tulip.

Sag Branch Tulip with Will
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by bbeduhn
Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:14 pm
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Snowball Mtn. Trail

I did a little recon to check out this area for Bob Leverett's future forays into the Blue Ridge Parkway, particularly for yellow birch. They aren't nearly as full as character here as they are just north of the picnic area. This trail is on the south side of the Craggy picnic area, half way up the approach road, next to forest road 631 or 613. It branches off the Mountains to Sea Trail about 100 yards up. Yellow buckeyes, beech, yellow birch, mountain ash, sugar maple, red spruce and hawthorn abound. There is an almost pure stand of hawthorns, literally hundreds of them! Yellow birch dominates beyond the hawthorns.

Some yellow birch:
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I've never seen hawthorns congregated like these. They dominate several acres.
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I can see how hawthorns were once used to keep in livestock. These thorns are sharp!
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The mountain ash are already showing nice colors. They should be spectacular by next week.

I came across some yellow birch that had been cut. One 4" diameter branch showed about 70 rings. A 9" trunk showed about 130 rings. A 9" beech showed about 80 rings. The birches may be a bit older than we thought. There are birches about 3' in diameter. A 1' trunk could easily be in excess of 175 years.
Who knows on the 3 footers.
by bbeduhn
Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:42 am
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Re: Dolly Sods Wilderness

On the southern end of the Massanutten Mountains in Virginia, large anthills abound. They can be six feet across and three feet tall. They are in flat areas on top of the ridge at about 3,000 ft. elevation.
by bbeduhn
Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:42 am
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Barkers Creek Middle Branch, NC

East Barkers Creek contains a slew of tall tulips and other trees. check out the post from a year ago.
Will, Jess and I headed out to check out some LiDAR hits in a few coves on Barker's Creek, in western North Carolina. The coves are adjacent to private land but are in the National Forest. A bushwhack up through laurel thickets and green briers led us to the rich coves. I took the lower section and got some good measurements. These trees are not as old or as tall as on East Barkers Creek. Will and Jess will share their findings as well and we'll soon have a Rucker index for the area.

144.5' 145.5' 145.5' 148' 150' 151.5' 152' 152' 152.4' 152.5' 153' 153.5' 156' 157' 157' 161' 161.5' 164.5'
White Ash
Mock Hick
Yellow Buckeye
119' (Will got 122.3')
Black locust
Red maple
139' 122.5'
Red oak
Blk oak
Chestnut oak
Fraser Mag
White pine
142' 144.7'
Preliminary R10--126.67', but it will easily top 130' and hopefully up the entire Barkers Creek area a bit.
by bbeduhn
Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:56 am
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Florence Nature Preserve, Gerton, NC

This is a new preserve near Chimney Rock and Rumbling Bald, bought by the Nature Conservancy. I read about old growth and since it's in a gorge along the escarpment, I expected some fine trees.

The only old growth I saw were old hemlocks, which had already succumbed to the adelgid, and one large white oak. Black birch were everpresent and were a canopy tree. It appears they are remnants of higrading of other hardwoods. The largest hemlocks were all dead but smaller, mature hemlocks are still going strong. Some had lost their lower needles but many were green all the way up into the 80-90' canopy. They are mostly along a lush stream. Aside from this stream the land is quite open in the understory.

This area should respond to adelgid treatments if it hasn't already been treated. I'm guessing that someone has treated it. I haven't seen such green hemlocks in the mountains in some time.

hemlock 94.5' healthy
scarlet oak 95'
black/scarlet hybrid 97' I assume this id is correct. Leaves and bark are between the two
white ash 98'
black birch 101' likely a few feet taller. My 550 has trouble in the crown of blk birch
white oak 104' 14'2" cbh
red hickory 107.6'
red oak 108'
black locust 121'
tuliptree 123'
white pine 124.3'

Rucker 107.9'

I only made it through a third of the preserve but I don't expect the Rucker to climb significantly. I was dissappointed with the heights, except for locust and birch. The black birch really asserted themselves.
by bbeduhn
Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:35 am
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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees


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by bbeduhn
Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:20 am
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Re: UNCA Asheville, NC

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by bbeduhn
Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:40 am
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UNCA Asheville, NC

This area has been measured several times before but I was having car issues and wasn't able to get out and about very far. I hit a large area south of the campus which may not have been measured before in addition to the Botanical Gardens, just to get a better Rucker.

The area south of campus appears to have been a large estate at one time. There are stone walls remaining and English Ivy is very common over a fair portion of the site. The trees are younger around the walls, with the exception of white oaks. Mature white oaks abound on the property. They appear to have grown somewhat open when they were younger.

Sweetgum 91' in Botan Garden
baldcypress 94.1' in Botan Garden
Southern red oak 96'
Shortleaf pine 98.6' in Botan Garden
Pitch pine 98.9' in Botan Garden
Black cherry 100.8'
White oak 104.5' 10'6"cbh 84'spread
White pine 116.3' in Botan Garden
Sycamore 122.8' in Botan Garden
Tuliptree 125'

Rucker 104.8' a bit dissappointing

White pine 104.5' 11'1" cbh 55.5' spread whopper for the city
southern red oak 11'1" cbh very large for a southern red

Will has measured the sycamore to 130+'. I spent time on it and couldn't break 123'.

Pictures to follow.
by bbeduhn
Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:56 am
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Ramsey Cascades, GSMNP

I went to visit one of my favorite trees, a large tulip that is still growing vigorously. Ramsey Cascades is in the Greenbrier area of the park. It's mostly old growth forest and is extremely lush and mossy. The giant hemlocks were mostly dead. One 3' diameter one was still alive with a dead crown. PTDC0001.JPG PTDC0002.JPG PTDC0003.JPG PTDC0004.JPG PTDC0005.JPG PTDC0006.JPG PTDC0008.JPG PTDC0009.JPG PTDC0010.JPG PTDC0011.JPG PTDC0012.JPG PTDC0007.JPG

red hickory 116.5'
beech 103.4'
chestnut oak 110.4'
black birch 111.1'
black locust 112.5'
red maple 106'
black gum 95.5'
sugar maple 114'
Fraser Mag 117.5' Shooting straight up. 117.4' with good sight of the top but may top 119'. Near record
sycamore 126'
white ash 112'
hemlock 119.5' 117.2' 117' 116.1'
tuliptree 157.5' (16'10") 156.5' (15'7") (twins) 150' 139.5' 139.5' (19'9")

No need for a Rucker. I didn't hit enough trees. There are taller ones I didn't get to measure. The trail has been measured in the past but quite a few years ago, I believe.
by bbeduhn
Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:34 pm
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Whitewater Corridor (Bad Creek), SC

This land is owned by Duke Power, which maintains a reservoir and power station. They obtained an easement so the property could be used for the Fooothills Trail, Coon Branch Trail and the lower Whitewater Falls overlook trail.

I'd been through this area many times doing long trail runs but hadn't been there to measure. I noticed some tall trees and thought I'd find a contender for the tallest black birch. That didn't work out but I still found plenty of quality trees and a near record VA pine.
It was tough figuring out species on some of the pines. I often have issues between shortleaf and pitch but at this site the Va pines looked like shortleaf. I think I got them correct but there is a chance there is an error. Will treated hemlocks in the Coon Branch area. Most of the young and intermediate aged trees look healthy. The large ones are all dead. There's an almost pure stand of young, vibrant sweet gum just after the bridge to the Foothills Trail.

shortleaf pine 118.1' 115.1' 114.6' 120.1'
Va pine 118.1' 110.4'
pitch pine 118.5' 110.7' 108.6'
white pine 156.4' 149.1' 147.4' 143.5' 137.7' 137.7' 137.3' 137.3'
hemlock 111.6' 100.4'
white oak 132.2' May have been measured higher in the past
red oak 116.1'
red maple 107'
mockernut hickory 125.9' 114.8'
persimmon 94.5'
sweet gum 119.2' 114.7' 112.8'
black birch 107.5' 102.4'
black locust 112.5' 105.1'
cucumber 120.8' 110.7'
tulip 133' 119.8'
chestnut oak 102'

RI 10 126.03'
RI 5 133.66'

Check out the report on the Coon Branch pine. I saw a large tree fitting the description but it was dead. Hopefully, it was not the Coon Branch pine. I didn't see any live big hemlocks. Hopefully, I simply didn't notice it but I'm not too confident that it's alive.

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by bbeduhn
Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:42 am
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Montreat Trail System, NC

Montreat is a former resort town near Black Mountain, in the Asheville area. Its watershed has been protected and contains very mature forest. Some consider it to be old growth and it certainly is at higher altitudes. It appears so at the lower altitudes as well but is conspicuously absent of any large hardwoods. Black and yellow birch are everywhere. Old, large hemlock skeletons dot all of the streams. The town of Montreat didn't treat the hemlocks. Fortunately, residents did and there is an abundance of healthy hemlocks in the town itself. I'll measure in town as well. It's necessary because the Rucker for the trails is a bit anemic. I saw just a few mature tulips, all above 3,000 feet. They have no reason to get very tall due in part to lack of competition. It appears the big hardwoods were taken out but they apparently didn't dominate before as it looks like a very natural old growth forest minus large hardwoods.

red oak 104'
sourwood 81.5'
Faser mag 90.5'
black birch 86.4'
tulip 117'
chestnut oak 93'
red maple 93'
blk oak 99.1'
white oak 102.2'
blk gum 84.5'
red hickory 97'
white ash 78'
blk locust 98.2'
yellow buckeye 99'
white pine 95.3'

White pines and hemlocks grow very tall in town, as do sycamores and tulips.

I counted rings on a hemlock, cut about 65' up--114 @18" diameter, +/-5 rings. 64 rings on a 5" diameter hemlock stump. It started out growing very slowly, then picked up the pace a bit.

On a yellow birch, the outer four inches contained 190 rings +/- 10 rings. They were tiny so it'll be a bit off. I got a pic and will post. The tree diameter was 2'4". It was hollow and twisted so the true diameter may have been a couple of inches smaller.

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by bbeduhn
Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:19 am
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Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

After reading about the super forest, I decided to try out an area adjacent to it, and then check out Burnt Mtn if time permitted. I'd just done Ramsey Cascades, so after Meigs it was almost dark. Burnt Mtn. will have to wait for another trip.

I parked at Elkmont and walked amongst the old cabins. They were certainly very nice in their day. Hopefully, the park will restore at least a portion of them. Meigs Mountain Trail starts off through very young forest at an old home site. A few mature trees are present but most are quite young. The tulips are about 100-110' at this point. This trail is all about tulips for its first mile and a half. They get bigger in the next cove and then are hitting 140's. The next cove has some serious height, not super cove height, but they are substantial and still quite young. After a couple of good coves, the trees get smaller and then the trail enters some old growth. It's not true old growth as the only really old trees are hemlocks and yellow birch, with some mature beech and red maple. The surprise on this trail is that there are almost no oaks of any kind. I saw just one red oak on Meigs and then some on the 100 yards of Jake's Creek Trail between Meigs and Elkmont. Mountain Silverbell outnumbered all oaks by about 30 to 1.

Meigs Mtn/Jake's Creek
Beech 108.2'
Black locust 139.6' 121'
sourwood 80.5'
cherry 123'
red maple 127.8' 120' 114.5'
Fraser mag 105.5'
Cucumber 110'
hemlock 106.4'
white ash 107.9'
sugar maple 107.9'
black birch 104.9' 99.4'
Va pine 92.3'
pitch pine 95.9'
butternut 95'
red oak 108.8' 108'
yellow birch 65'
sassafras 107' 93.5'
tuliptree 166.6' 164.1' 163.8' 156' 155.6' 154.5' 153.5' 153' 150' 149.9'

R10 120.67'
R5 133.38'

hemlock 120.4'
white pine 120.7'
ash 121' may be green ash-located in a bottomland next to a stream
yel buckeye 102.4'
red oak 115.5'
sycamore 128'
pitch pine 114.4' Huge

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by bbeduhn
Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:06 am
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Re: Virginia Tech sports facility plan in Stadium Woods

They have plenty of parking lots. If football is such big money, why not build an outdoor facility over a two level parking garage and put the indoor facility where the current outdoor facilities are? That would be a greener solution which would save the trees.
by bbeduhn
Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:33 pm
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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees, NC

I have a few new measurements from the gardens of Biltmore.

Carolina hemlock 103.4'
Norway or oriental spruce 133.6' This may be a US record for either species.
Dawn Redwood 124.1' same tree as previous post.
white pine 158.1'
I got a 156' shooting straight up and had various numbers in the 150's from multiple angles. One reading had 161.6' but that was with some estimation on the base. It may top 160' but I haven't confirmed it yet. I plan to do an inventory of the gardens this summer. The trees are relatively well spaced.

I finally got a high reading for the Friday's sycamore in Biltmore Village. That tree had frustrated me on two previous visits.
sycamore 144.0'

by bbeduhn
Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:11 pm
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Re: Tree Humor?

It reminds me of the guy on "Friends" who always hit the floor with a broom. He was a bit of a squirrelly fellow.
by bbeduhn
Wed May 16, 2012 4:29 pm
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Re: Biltmore Estate Trees

I met with Bill Hascher,the head arborist at Biltmore Estate on Thursday. he showed me some old record holders and pointed out some areas I might like to measure. They use tags on many of their significant trees, numbering beyond 5,000 tagged trees.

White pine I measured five this outing and got 3 150's
197 153.8'
1885 151.8'
1887 151.4'
1888 139.6'
no# 144.6'
3923 158.1' previously measured

Short leaf pine
216 107.4' old, gnarled crown
3247 105.8'
3249 104.2'
3251 103.9'
3243 103.0'
3242 93.5'
3179 96.7'
no# 102.2'
no# 102.8'

Hemlock--these are doing extremely well with much new growth
165 134.8'
168 143.6'
4214 134.7'
1351 138.5'

Carolina hemlock
665 115.1' tallest known at the Estate but has challengers

Oriental spruce picea orientalis
1372 108.9'
1374 112.3'
1375 109.1'
548 102.2'
3980 119.4'

Norway spruce
1373 107.4'
2949 117.5'
?# 137.0' previously measured at 133.6'
?# 121.3'

Douglas fir
?# 108.8'

red pine
no# 116.4' dwarfed by white pines with blown out crowns

Nikko fir Abies homolepis
1333 105.5'
4441 115.1'

Dawn redwood metasequoia glyptostroboides
1874 95.5'
3647 115.6'
3644 111.1'
4273 126.2'
4274 112.5'
4275 113.3'
4276 117.6'
?# 129.0' re-measure in the garden. New top found
3967 91.6'

Bald cypress taxodium distichum
4280 100.4'
4281 116.7'
?# 126.7' below bass pond dam
3975 101.5'

Pond cypress?
3976 89.7'

1055 131.5'
no# 117.4'

1875 NLT 126'
1876 118.8'

ash (looks like white but may be different)
1042 114.5'

American basswood tilia americana
no# 119.7'

China fir Cunninghamia many left to measure
3985 81.1'

Blue atlas cedar
3944 97.6' 12'7.5" cbh

Nordmann fir many more to measure
3993 102.8'
3946 91.6'

I plan to spend more time and get as all significant trees in the garden area, as well as finding more 150' white pines and hopefully, a 150' hemlock. The forest hardwoods will have to wait until November.

RI 5 for conifers 138.8'
RI 10 for conifers 127.27' so far

edit: I originally mentioned that Cunninghamia (China fir) were reproducing profusely. They were actually torreya, most likely Florida torreya.
by bbeduhn
Mon May 07, 2012 4:36 pm
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Martha's Vineyard

I just got back from Martha's Vineyard (Earlier report December 2011: ) and got to measure some trees. I also visited the Polly Hill Arboretum, which was far more impressive than I'd imagined.

Pagoda Tree Sophora japonica 19'9" cbh 79.5' height x ~70' avg spread
This is the oldest of its kind in North America and I would assume the largest in all respects. It was brought over by a whaling captain in 1833.
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The arboretum has years listed for all of its exotic specimens. Heights are not particularly impressive but virtually all are less than 50 years old.

Common Latin Height Year planted
Nordmann fir Abies nordmanniana 48.3' 1962
Nordmann fir Abies nordmanniana 50.9' 1962
Nordmann fir Abies nordmanniana 58.8' 1962
Nordmann fir Abies nordmanniana 77.0' 1962
Alpine fir var Abies Lasiocarpa Martha's Vineyard 42.8' 1959
Cedar of Lebanon Cedrus Libani 56.5' 1962
Cedar of Labenon Cedrus Libani 57.1' 1962
Monkey puzzle Araucaria araucana 18.4' 1968
Japanese umbrella pine Sciadapytis verticillata 35.6' 1962
Sugar pine Pinus lambertiana 44.2' 1970
Korean pine Pinus koraiensis 44.6' 1963
Noble fir Abies procera 52.8' 1967
Noble fir Abies procera 55.9' 1962
Hinoki cypress Chamaecyparis obtusa 56.1' 1960
Hinoki cypress Chamaecyparis obtusa 33.6' 1975
Asunaro Thujopsis dolabrata hondai 33.8' 1968
Japanese white pine Pinus parviflora 30.2' 1962
Japanese white pine Kitagoyo Pinus parviflora pentaphylla 36.2' 1966
Suwara cypress var. Chameecyparis pisifera squarrosa 45.3' 1983
Algerian fir Abies numidica 52.4' 1962
Mexican white pine Pinus ayacahuite 68.1' 1961
White fir Abies concolor 25.1' 1993
Weeping Norway spruce Picea abies pendula 36.6' 1966
Twisted white pine Pinus strobus torolosa 44.8' 1968
Weeping Alaska cypress/Nootka Xanthocyparis nootkatensis pendula 23.9' 1974
Pond cypress prairie sentinel Taxodium ascendens 24.1' 1985
Lawson cypress/Port Orford Chamaecyparis lawsonia 45.1' 1972
Western redcedar var. Thuja plicata zebrina 35.7' 1982
Western redcedar Thuja plicata 54.0' 1982
Oriental spruce Picea orientalis 45.1'
Golden larch Pseudalarix amabilis 12' 1969
Dawn redwood Metasequoia Glyptostroboides 74.2' 1959
Japanese cedar Cryptomeria japonica 56.3' 1961
Japanese cedar Cryptomeria japonica 60.1' 1961
Japanese cedar Cryptomeria japonica 49.6' 1967
Japanese cedar Cryptomeria japonica 57.1' 1967
Japanese cedar Cryptomeria japonica 58.3' 1967
Japanese cedar Cryptomeria japonica 62.6' 1967
Japanese cedar yoshino Cryptomeria japonica yoshino 55.3' 1978
Japanese cedar yoshino Cryptomeria japonica yoshino 59.0' 1978
Japanese cedar yoshino Cryptomeria japonica yoshino 59.1' 1978
Japanese cedar yoshino Cryptomeria japonica yoshino 65.8' 1978
Japanese cedar yoshino Cryptomeria japonica yoshino 70.4' 1978
Chinese cork oak Quercus variabilis 68.3' 1963
Chinese chestnut Castenea mollissima 45.1'

It's interesting to see how fast exotics can grow in a northeast island habitat. The arboretum will very likely harbor the tallest tree on the island in another 20 years. Currently, white pine and Norway spruce are the tallest species on the island. I found a grove of white pines that might eclipse 100' but didn't get back to measure them. Most whites have angled tops due to wind. They generally angle to the east, the wind preventing them from getting very tall. In a grove, they may well top 100'.

The Japanese cedars are truly impressive. I'd only seen 20-30 footers before. This tree is very closely related to the Giant Sequoia, and can top 200' in its native habitat. The Dawn redwood is an early specimen. This was my first experience with Monkey puzzle trees. They are extremely exotic but very slow growing. There were six, all from 1968, ranging from 7' to 18.4'.

by bbeduhn
Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:05 pm
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Asheville Trees, NC

I wanted to post some numbers on trees I've measured recently in the Asheville, NC area.

Montford Park
Nordmann fir 68.4' 78.4' 81.1' 93.2'
Suwara false cypress 85.6' 91.2'
Northern white cedar 73.3'

Hanger Hall near downtown-unusual trees for Asheville
Longleaf pine 75.0'
Loblolly pine 78.0'

The Mountains-to-Sea Trail
Shortleaf pine 124.6' very nice grove. Will measure the remainder soon.
Pitch pine 121.7' I've listed this previously at 121'. The actual top is a bit higher but nearly
impossible to spot.

Church St., downtown
Ulmus procera? English/Atinian elm? both triple trunked but may pass the single pith test
17'2" cbh 90.4' 17'9" cbh 79.6'

Fuddruckers near downtown
Ulmus glabra? Scots/Wych elm?
13'6" cbh 90.0' 15'5" cbh 93.0'

TGIF/hotel parking lot
Shortleaf pine 115.7' The same site has a 144' sycamore and a very tall dawn redwood.

I'm cataloguing all of the tall Dawn redwoods (60'+) in the area. Will just informed me of a few more, so I'll post the numbers very soon.
by bbeduhn
Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:58 am
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Re: Asheville Trees

The P. echinata @ 124.6' has a girth of 5'2". However, its needles are now all brown and it has long scratch marks down the trunk with sawdust collecting on the lower plates. I assume it is dead.

I spent some time with the pitch pine, battling prickers and poison ivy, but was able to get measurements from many different angles: 117.2' 120.6' 121.0' 122.2' 122.3' 122.8' 124.8'
124.8' was the best of the lot. It's around 5' cbh. There are several others that could break 110' nearby but I was running short on daylight.
by bbeduhn
Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:00 am
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WNC Arboretum Bonsai Pics

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by bbeduhn
Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:27 am
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Mount Pisgah Academy in Candler (near Asheville)

I'd passed by this school on Hallowe'en and happened to notice some fine dawn redwoods on the grounds, so I made a trip back there and did a little measuring. I met a mathematics teacher, who was quite interested in the methods employed in measuring. He tried out the rangefinder and clinometer and was impressed with the simplicity of their use. He gave me permission to wander the campus and called a retired biology teacher, who had some knowledge of when the redwoods were planted. The biology teacher showed up shortly thereafter and we discussed the trees. he was quite well versed on metasequoias and how their seeds made their way to the US and the world in two primary phases.

The trees were planted on or about 1968, as original landscaping for the new chapel. Four redwoods were planted. One had to be removed and one has a broken top, the first broken top I've seen in 130+ dawn redwoods. Where it gets interesting is what happened after the one tree was removed. The cuttings were taken to an onsite dump and a tree actually started growing in the dump from the cuttings. This regeneration was transplanted to another site on campus where it still grows. I was not able to get up to this regenerated redwood due to time constraints but did measure a fourth redwood elsewhere on campus in addition to the three remaining at the chapel.

Metasequoia glyptostroboides Dawn redwood all likely 44 years old
68.3' broken top

Chamaecyparis pisifera Suwara false-cypress (moss cypress)
96.0' tallest one I've found so far

The mathematics teacher mentioned his intention to purchase the requisite equipment and actually use it in the field to teach his students. Hopefully, I made a convert or two to the ENTS way of measuring and perhaps to our website as well.

by bbeduhn
Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:58 pm
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Guilford Courthouse-Greensboro, NC

I'd visited the site before but just covered a small amount of it. I noticed some unbelievably tall Virginia pines so I had to measure further. Previously, a pure stand of VA pines averaged about 90' with two over 100'. This time, 100' was fairly common.

quercus alba white oak NLT 114'
quercus rubra red oak 112.0'
quercus shumardii shumard oak 97.1'
quercus macrocarpa bur oak NLT 96'
platanus occidentalis sycamore 116.3' 110.8'
liquidambar styraciflua sweet gum NLT 114' 115.7'
fraxinus pennsylvanica green ash NLT 114'
carya ovata shagbark hickory NLT 108' NLT 108'
carya glabra pignut hickory 119.2' 114.4'
liriodendron tulipfera tuliptree 133.5'
pinus strobus white pine 105.3' 105.2'
pinus taeda loblolly pine 116.1' 109.8' 107.9' 107.8'
pinus echinata shortleaf pine 106.8' 101.4' 100.4' 122.3' cbh 8'2.5" this is potential state champ for points
pinus virginiana virginia pine 100.9' 102.5' 102.8' 102.9' 104.7' 111.0' 115.9'

Rucker 10 = 117.62' sycamore and sweet gum undoubtedly go higher so it may approach 120'

115.9' is the new state champ for height. State co-champs were discovered a couple of weeks ago, in Asheville by our Prez at 114.9' and along Lake Jocassee by me at 115.0'. This species is undermeasured. Greensboro won't hold the record for long.

by bbeduhn
Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:18 pm
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Greensboro-The Grande/Bluffs Neighborhoods

Some numbers from a family neighborhood with a greenway through the forest:

Nyssa sylvatica black gum 99.1'
Lirio tulip tuliptree 124.9'
Quercus velotina blk oak 118.2'
Quercus alba white oak 111.8' 118.2' large spread
Quercus rubra red oak 122.2'
Quercus phellos willow oak 107.5'
Platinus occident. sycamore 111.4' 110.0'
Carya glabra pignut hickory 111.0'
Liquidambar styra. sweet gum 119.1'
Pinus taeda loblolly pine 124.9' 127.9'
Pinus virginiana VA pine 108.5' 102.9'

R10= 116.89'
by bbeduhn
Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:24 pm
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