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Re: Tall pitch pine in Blomfelt Conservation Land of Harvard

Jared,

Please find attached an updated list of tall tree champions in Mass. Note that your name now appears twice. Maybe we can get out together to update some of the others with Brother Ray treating us to ice cream for our heavy labor afterwards.

Bob
by dbhguru
Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:50 am
 
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Crown Hill North Woods

NTS,

I've been following the news stories about this forest and here's a short article I wrote after visiting the great trees in the Crown Hill North Woods, with a petition link and photos at the end.

https://forestreporter.com/2016/11/23/crown-hill-north-woods-last-visit/

Matt
by Matt Markworth
Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:21 pm
 
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Pockets of lakeshore forest in the area of Dunkirk, NY

While visiting my home region of WNY for the thanksgiving holiday I was invited by my friend Jon Titus (also involved in the SUNY Fredonia Woodlot report thread) to visit a patch of nice forest right along the lake's edge in the city of Dunkirk to measure a big oak. A winding path took us through brushy forest along the top of the shale cliffs that characterize this part of lake erie's shoreline. As a botanist, my friend pointed out an interesting native honeysuckle that's nearly impossible to tell from the invasive eurasian honeysuckle except in flower, among other interesting members of the lakeside flora. Right at the cliff's edge, we found the wind-beaten Red Oak.
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After measuring this tree we continued on a bit, through a forest of mostly other red oaks, though none quite so large, with a stunning carpet of moss covering the ground- and stumbled upon a patch of forest just slightly further back from the cliff's edge where there was a collection of surprisingly old-seeming trees. None were particularly tall but the big Red Oak here and some of the sugar maples in particular showed signs of many years of weathering. This is probably pretty old regrowth that had some seed continuity with the primary forest at one point, as the species mix (climax northern hardwoods) is to my observations pretty uncommon in the younger regrowth of the surrounding area. Perhaps a patch that was fully or partially cleared early on, but never plowed or cultivated, and maintained as a woodlot. I only measured a few trees but very much appreciated the beauty of the site.
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Sugar Maple
84.9'/9.5'cbh
American Beech
84.9'
Black Cherry
79.8'/4.4'cbh
Northern Red Oak
81.9'/14.4'cbh

I also visited a small beach up the shore a ways in Sheridan, where I took some photos but didn't measure any trees. One thing that strikes me about the many red oaks all along the clifftops of this shoreline is that they tend to have exceptionally dark gray bark that stays very smooth in large sections, and what fissures do form are even darker. Whether this is a variation specific to the shore environment or a product of the harsh clifftop growing conditions I don't know, but it's always been very distinct to me. The leaves, buds and acorns are classic rubra. I hope the photographs included here sufficiently convey the intense, but quite exhilarating, shoulder season conditions of heavy winds and constant spray that these trees thrive in.
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by Erik Danielsen
Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:18 pm
 
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Re: Crown Hill North Woods

NTS,

Here's a ~9 minute walk through with some of the most significant trees at the Crown Hill North Woods. Switch the setting to 1080p for the best quality:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpjElrUOiz4

Matt
by Matt Markworth
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:32 pm
 
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Re: Adirondacks and Lake Champlain

Bob,

I was able make the trek out to Crane Pond this morning, taking the week off from work. I've wanted to see your big tree ever since you first mentioned it. After a long walk through the snow, I identified several likely candidates, but was unable to track it down for sure. I should have re-read your post before making the trip, but I didn't. I was hoping find something you'd missed, but few pines exceeded 140'. Your description of most pines being in the 115-125' range is dead-on. I did however, see some nice second-growth Red Spruce on the trail to nearby Goose Pond, as well as a giant flared-root Yellow birch that measured 9'2" at breast height. In the woods next to the Crane Pond trailhead parking area, I also found a young Red Spruce that came in at 108.5' x 4'5", a personal best for me with one of my favorite trees.

From Crane Pond, I drove North and then East on Rt. 74 and checked out the beginnings of the Blue Hill trail to Crane Pond. Greenent mentioned this trail in a previous post. After just a few steps in, the pines went from attractive second-growth to several massive trees in the 200 year range. Descending an east-facing slope, probably three or four of about a dozen White pines exceed 140'. What I believe are the two tallest stand near or on the trail, and measure, respectively, 154'7" x 11'2" and 150'6" x 13'3". These trees grow in the Pharaoh Lake Wilderness Area, giving it now three pines known to exceed 150' in height and 11' in circumference.

Elijah
by ElijahW
Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:51 pm
 
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Oldest tree in Connecticut?

Hi all,
My name is Jack Ruddat and I am an 18 year old High School student in West Hartford, Connecticut. I have been involved in the science of dendrochronology since 2013 and have kept a list of sampled trees along with their circumference and minimum age. I recently found an eastern redcedar in my home state of Connecticut that is 550+ years old, probably the oldest known tree in Connecticut. The age was verified (with a margin of error due to the missing rings, false rings, fire scars, and missing wood by pith) by a dendrology professor at the University of Connecticut who counted the rings under a stereo microscope. As far as I am aware, the only trees that come close to that age are the 350-400 year old eastern hemlocks in Sage's Ravine in Salisbury, Connecticut. This tree was found in Simsbury, Connecticut on a trap rock basalt ridge and was aged using an increment tree borer. Would this information be of any use to people keeping a list of old trees? I have also found a couple of 250+ year old sugar maples in what I believe to be a very early secondary old growth forest in Ridgefield, Connecticut from the early 1700's and a 200 year old shagbark hickory in West Hartford. I'll attach a picture of the eastern redcedar and a word document of the trees I have found for anyone interested.

Jack Ruddat
by jcruddat
Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:33 pm
 
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Re: Tall pitch pine in Blomfelt Conservation Land of Harvard

Congratulations on your new tool! The new top as well. The LTI units definitely reward patient attention to picking over the details. Maybe you should consider this pitch pine your own true personal christmas tree and make a tradition of remeasuring it around this time every year.
by Erik Danielsen
Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:07 pm
 
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Riverside Cemetery, Baldwinsville, NY

NTS,

Earlier this year, Bob Henry and Tom Howard stumbled upon a very attractive collection of old, large trees in Riverside Cemetery, in the village of Baldwinsville, just a few minutes west of Syracuse, NY. Shortly after, Tom and I returned to see the trees up close and get some measurements. I swung by again this morning to get in a nice walk and in the snow and remeasured the largest trees. The river in the background of the photos and referenced in the cemetery's name is the Seneca.

According to its Facebook page, Riverview was established in 1807, and the oldest trees, mostly White pine, may date from that period. Some trees are obviously younger, but probably still date from the mid- to late-nineteenth century. The pines, though not exceptionally tall, do reach close to the maximum height currently known for the Syracuse area, and show definite signs of age, including orange-tinged platy bark and thick trunks. Tom got a laser return of just over 130' on the tallest one, but I was unable to match that with my equipment. The biggest surprise was a giant black cherry, much larger than any other I've seen. Below is a list of trees remeasured today; Tom may have a few additions from our earlier visit.

White Pine

120.7' x 12'0"
119.8' x 10'9"
118.7' x 10'5"
112.3' x 11'9"
112.0' x 11'9"

Red Spruce

61.6'

Silver Maple

93.3' x 15'2" (Single trunk)

Black Cherry

92.0' x 14'3" x 81.5' Average Crown Spread (10 spokes)

Some photos from today:
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Merry Christmas everyone,

Elijah
by ElijahW
Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:15 pm
 
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Re: Inwood Hill Park, Manhattan

This warm, sunny christmas Sunday I made my second annual christmas visit to Inwood Hill Park to continue updating the Rucker Index. I've made several visits since I last updated this thread, both with leaves on for better confirmation of species IDs and in fall right after I got my Trupulse to give it some practice. As this thread has gotten pretty messy with a number of repeat measurements, ID revisions etc I'm hoping to summarize everything more definitively in a PDF report by the end of the winter giving a full accounting of the remarkable trees of this unique urban forest. In the meantime, there are some new numbers and trees to report.
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In the summer Matt Markworth came through on his way out to Massachusetts and we took a walk through a much shadier Inwood examining the trees and confirming that Inwood's heavy human impacts have resulted in a very confusing mix of species. Among the interesting revisions were that the Little-Leaf Linden I had measured is probably Basswood after all, but there are at least two and possibly three other Tilia species present, particularly in the ridgetop sections that were more heavily cleared and settled as estates. The tallest hickory turns out to be a Bitternut after all, though there's a largish probably pignut nearby. Later on I found definite red hickories (based on fresh fruits) in a natural forested area of an adjacent park, so those are again still a possibility. A couple very impressively buttressed elms I had previously described here as American (before learning the bark trick) are in fact Wych elms. There are some odd things going on with Mulberries, some obvious whites but also some that seem very red and some intermediate; red mulberry is somewhat rare in NYC.

A big surprise right as Matt was about to hit the road was an enormous Hackberry hiding in the opposite corner of the park by some baseball fields. This is a big tree! From a distance I mistook it for a Silver Maple, realizing it was a Hackberry as I walked closer really knocked my socks off. Sadly the pictures I took of Mark with the Hackberry were lost, but I've visited it since to take more.
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When I visited in fall with my new trupulse I was able to confirm a new top over 150' on the largest of the tulips (previously at 147.4), and also confirm taller heights for the Ginkgo and the Bitternut Hickory. A fairly tall Ailanthus also showed up in the forest- but just one.
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Finally, today, I very carefully remeasured the tallest American Elm, Northern Red Oak, White Oak, and Chestnut Oak, as well as the tallest Black Locust. I intended to remeasure the tallest black oak as well but found it prostrate, much to my regret. It had seemed like a pretty stressed tree before. It leaves us without a tall black oak in the rucker, as all the others are gnarled ridgetop trees. The white oak and chestnut oak both saw sleight height reductions, but the new top on the red oak was very satisfying and the elm and black locust gained a little too.
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All that said, here are the numbers for new or updated trees as mentioned from those visits:

Ginkgo remeasure
119.1'/15.5'cbh
Tuliptree remeasure
151.2'/16.4'cbh 150x16
Ailanthus
105'/6.6'cbh
Hophornbeam
46.5'/3'cbh
Bitternut Hickory remeasure
131.1'/5.2'cbh
Hackberry
93.9'/12.4'cbh
American Elm remeasure
117.5'/6'cbh
White Oak remeasure
124.4'/8.4'cbh
Northern Red Oak remeasures
135.8'/9.6'cbh
130.2'/10.2'cbh
Chestnut Oak remeasure
131'/8.1' circumference taken 1' above fusion to avoid flare
Black Locust remeasure
113.3'

With the new measurements and the black oak dropping out, the RHI10 for Inwood Hill Park stands at 125.7. With more tall trees still unmeasured I believe Welwyn Preserve at 125.6 will overtake this site as SE NY's tallest forest but Inwood's some canopy to beat.
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Happy Holidays to everyone.
by Erik Danielsen
Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:54 pm
 
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Urban Foresty Conference Name Tag

NTS,

I went to an Urban Forestry Conference in October.

One look at the name tag will explain why I'm posting in the Humor Forum:)

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Matt
by Matt Markworth
Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:00 pm
 
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Re: Urban Foresty Conference Name Tag

I don't see any problem, Mike Mattworth.
by ElijahW
Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:58 am
 
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Re: Urban Foresty Conference Name Tag

I'm guessing Mr. Mish Mushworth got accustomed to this by the second week of kindergarden.*

(*Seyz the guy who got called his brother's name all through school-yeah that small of a town)
by Rand
Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:10 am
 
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Re: Urban Foresty Conference Name Tag

Hey, now that's a good sign, Mork.

Bob
by dbhguru
Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:32 pm
 
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Re: Urban Foresty Conference Name Tag

Mork! Love that!

Hey Bob, I have a proposal. I can arrange capsules and we can plan the next rendezvous on the Planet Ork. The trees are amazing! Make sure to bring the long range lasers though, we'll need them for the hypotenuses of our triangles. Oh, one more thing, you may occasionally see me running around the forest yelling Shazbot!, but don't worry, it's contagious!
by Matt Markworth
Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:05 pm
 
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Re: Tall pitch pine in Blomfelt Conservation Land of Harvard

Hi Jared,

Congrats! A 105-foot pitch pines is nothing to sneeze at. Thanks to you, there's hope for significant tree discoveries in eastern MA.

Oh yes, Sparky is anxious to meet Spiffy. Sparky wants to start an exclusive 200X club. Elijah has a 200X and so does Doug Bidlack. They have to name their instruments though, Can't have any anonymous members in the club.

Bob
by dbhguru
Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:51 pm
 
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Re: Tall pitch pine in Blomfelt Conservation Land of Harvard

Jared,

Way to go ! (Bob told me he left that one for you to find... didn't take you very long!).
by RayA
Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:18 pm
 
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Re: New MA state champion yellow birch

I like it. Great form and setting.
by Lucas
Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:10 pm
 
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Re: New MA state champion yellow birch

Wow! That's a fantastic trunk. 2016 was a good year for Betula, indeed- new max height for B. lenta, your beautiful allegheniensis here, and I think Tom and Elijah might have found an exceptional gray birch? 2016 was quite nice for trees, perhaps to balance out the human events. If so, that bodes well for 2017- already I've been in a car accident and had my basement flooded with sewage and we're just three days in, so I'm sure the forests are going to offer up some exceptional trees this year to even things out.
by Erik Danielsen
Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:34 pm
 
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Re: New MA state champion yellow birch

Jared posted some good photos of the new champ. I would like to add just one more, of the tree's base. He's in the shot, so readers can get a greater appreciation of the size of this tree.

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by RayA
Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:02 pm
 
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Re: New MA state champion yellow birch

Impressive allegheniensis! Keeping in mind this species predilection towards starting life atop a rotting stump or log, it's quite common to see large old yellopw birch "standing on stilts" the old stump or log having long since rotted away. But this is a nice one and I agree that the form is great.
by wisconsitom
Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:26 am
 
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Re: 150-ft white pine in eastern MA

Pure insanity! Love it. I think this particular grove of pines has to cause white pine fans to reconsider what is possible for white pine height max in general and to contemplate even more deeply the pre-colonial prevalence and distribution of big whites.
-AJ
by AndrewJoslin
Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:31 pm
 
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Re: 150-ft white pine in eastern MA

Jared, Andrew, Elijah, all,
just wanted to say how wonderful it was to meet Jared for the first time and to measure such impressive trees on a spectacular day all around! Also, the 'old' record for this site was 8.56' x 144' 3" and the remeasure today was 8.75' x 143' 10". It was last (and first) measured on the 15th of November in 2014. It seems likely that we measured it lower on the trunk this time around and yet we still ended up a bit short in height (by 5"). Still, the story of the day is that we found two taller trees.

Andrew,
I'm very sorry about not having contacted you for this trip as I know you would have enjoyed it. Entirely my fault. Jared and I were talking about possibly measuring some Atlantic white-cedars next weekend in southeastern Mass. I have a couple sites picked out and we should be able to find height, girth and AF champs for the state. I know you love this species so if next weekend is no good for you we can go another time.

Doug
by DougBidlack
Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:01 pm
 
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Re: 150-ft white pine in eastern MA

Elijah,
I very much agree with Jared that this is not likely a plantation. As for age I honestly don't feel qualified to answer that and Jared's evidence is better than anything that I can offer.

Bob,
you could easily fit the 6 trees that we measured within 1 acre. On the way out Jared made a couple quick measurements of white pines in the low 130's that would likely have extended the area to 2 acres. It is possible that all the 130's, measured and unmeasured, could fit within 3 acres but it might be a bit more. In another close but separate area (separated by somewhat shorter trees within the same forest) are some more pines just over 130'. We are aware of three of these little islands of taller pines (130'+) within a sea of shorter trees. There may be more. Other species present were red maple and black birch but I'd like to emphasize what Jared said about the tall tree area being completely dominated by white pine. I think you can see this in the pictures that Jared provided. The other species were mainly confined to the outskirts of the tall white pine area. Those within the tall white pine area, except the hemlocks, were dead, dying or really struggling.

Doug
by DougBidlack
Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:15 pm
 
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Re: 150-ft white pine in eastern MA

Jared and Doug,

Congratulations! Eastern MA can finally hold its head high and feel proud. It no long has to bow its head and feel inferior.

How large is the property? Any other species growing among the pines? Did you report the results to the owners?

Bob
by dbhguru
Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:58 pm
 
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Re: 150-ft white pine in eastern MA

Jared,

Congratulations to you and Doug. This is a significant find. Are these trees in a plantation? Any guess as to the age?

Elijah
by ElijahW
Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:09 pm
 
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